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There's more to NIMBY than "thrashing your land." The US seems to have a "tragedy of the commons" problem when it comes to NIMBYism. Everybody wants X to exist
by miki123211 9mo ago
There's more to NIMBY than "thrashing your land."
The US seems to have a "tragedy of the commons" problem when it comes to NIMBYism. Everybody wants X to exist, but X causes some negative externalities for the people living close to it, so nobody wants X build specifically in their back yard, they want it but built somewhere else. Because the US seems to delegate these decisions to a much more local / granular level than Europe does, nobody has the courage to vote "yes", so X never gets build.
Who should decide whether E.G. an airport or a datacenter gets build? Should it just be the people living next to it? Should it be everybody in the relative vicinity who would use its services? Should it be everybody in the country (indirectly through the elected representatives)? I think those are the right questions to ask here.
- e40 9mo agoThe idea that data centers have to be built near homes (or anywhere people live or work) is absurd. The US is huge and vast amounts of open spaces.
- slfnflctd 9mo agoThe people who work in the datacenters don't want a long commute. Also, in a remote area, the third parties the owners require for continual maintenance will be fewer, take longer to respond, likely cost more, and may be less qualified than those you can find in a more populated area.
- duped 9mo agoPay them more then
- bluedino 9mo agoVery few people work in datacenters
- sylos 9mo agoso datacenters should be allowed to come into communities, consume their resources and barely hire the local populace?
- e40 9mo agoWhat? A 5 minute drive is miles, and that's plenty far enough. They are currently being built within 100 meters of homes. It's absolutely insane. EDIT: https://youtu.be/t-8TDOFqkQA?si=Qa9ot70MylFp6qkE https://youtu.be/t-8TDOFqkQA?si=Qa9ot70MylFp6qkE Just watch that and not get hoppin' mad.
- sokka_h2otribe 9mo agoArguably, an 800 person town is likely quite far from most.
- dguest 9mo agoI think what you are talking about is called "tragedy of the anticommons" [1]. Who gets to decide if an airport or data center gets built is a complicated question. But there are other options to keeping one party in the dark via NDAs. On one extreme we have eminent domain, on the other there's just buying out the local community transparently. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_anticommons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_anticommons
- keybored 9mo ago"Tragedy of the commons" is suffering from people overusing it.
- duped 9mo ago> Everybody wants X to exist Hardly "everybody" wants AI to exist.
- fc417fc802 9mo agoAn airport that services large passenger jets will absolutely tank property values if you happen to fall within the flight path. Yet I don't believe that owners typically receive any compensation when that happens. I assume other externalities are handled similarly (ie not handled at all). Then it shouldn't be surprising that people don't want to be the one to take the fall for everyone else's benefit.