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Data centers raise electricity bills and use too much ground water. Due to the AI bubble more data centers need to be built in areas that cannot support these f
by emsign 9mo ago
Data centers raise electricity bills and use too much ground water. Due to the AI bubble more data centers need to be built in areas that cannot support these facilities, deregulation, investor and political pressure ensures this, i.e. corruption. The last remaining spots are near residential areas. So people are pissed because of:
* noise pollution, infrasound from HVAC travelling long distances making people sick
* power outages priorizing data centers at the expense of residentials
* rising electricity bills
* rising water bills
- jandrewrogers 9mo ago> use too much ground water Data centers use little water. Less than using the same land for anything involving agriculture, for example. The idea that a data center uses too much water is recently invented propaganda that is readily verifiable as fiction. Cui bono?
- zoeysmithe 9mo agoComparing it to agriculture which has a very large demand for water by its nature is very apples to oranges. We need food, its questionable if we need grok taking people's clothes off. These data centers do come at a real environmental cost. I don't think cherry picking water usage is really helpful here.
- emsign 9mo ago[flagged]
- wizzwizz4 9mo agoIf they're shills (= people being paid to behave a certain way), then delusional doesn't come into it. However, such commentary on downvotes isn't productive. From the news guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
- gosub100 9mo ago"Less than agriculture " isn't the limit on what is too much. not sure how you decided that. Western states in particular struggle with their water supply and should not be wasting it on cooling transistors for people who are too lazy to think.
- coredog64 9mo agoWisconsin (the state FTA) is bounded by two of the Great Lakes and doesn't generally have water problems.
- snarky_dog 9mo ago[dead]
- Throaway1982 9mo agoIs it? It's my understanding that cooling an AI data centre takes massive amounts of water. Agriculture may be worse but no one is saying they want that either.
- triceratops 9mo agoAgriculture ships water away in the form of crops. It loses water from evaporation. I think data centers use closed-loop cooling. They use water but they don't lose it.
- coryrc 9mo agoThey use evaporative cooling towers because you need far fewer of them. The evaporating water can be separate from the main cooling loop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling_tower#Heat_transfer_methods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling_tower#Heat_transfer_me...
- emsign 9mo agoA few, most don't. If it's cheaper to use an open system then the closed system are only built for show, to soothe the public.
- triceratops 9mo agoCharge them more for water and electricity until they're using the amount of water you think is right. The fundamental problem here is municipalities getting into cozy, sweetheart deals with corporations.
- Throaway1982 8mo agoYup, and the abuse of NDA's compounds the issue
- emsign 9mo agoI'd rather have something to eat or take a shower at home than talk to an LLM.
- bargove 9mo agoTell that to the poor people in Mexico, where hundreds of new data centers are sucking the local aquifers dry... (hurting the people directly)
- zug_zug 9mo agoYeah, if you're going to spend 100 million building a datacenter you should be required to add equivalent grid production in the area. It has drastically increased our electricity prices where I live.
- phil21 9mo agoNot building energy production and distribution for the past 50 years is what is causing electricity prices to increase. Chickens coming home to roost. Eventually you run out of the previous generation’s infrastructure investments and cheap tricks like efficiency gains to avoid real capital investment. Datacenter demand has simply brought demand forward a bit. This was always coming for us. So long as they are paying market rates like any other power consumer of their size I see zero problem with it. If they are getting sweetheart deals and exemptions from regulatory rates then there would be a problem. The issue is lack of building stuff that needed to happen 20-30 years ago when it began to be an obvious critical need. De-industrialization just masked the problem. If we can’t figure out as a society how to come out ahead with a much more robust electric grid after this giant investment bubble we have utterly failed at a generational scale.