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Same reason the F35 manufacture is awkwardly distributed throughout the US - the shore up political support (voting to kill jobs in your state is usually unpopu

• brandonb 8mo ago
  NASA got its support in much the same way during the space race. Spreading the jobs widely is a good way to get political support.
• janice1999 8mo ago
  Data centers don't create local jobs once construction is complete. 40 people, most remote, can run a data center. The F-35 program claims to have over 250,000 people employed in its supply chain in the US and has large factories with high paying, often unionised jobs.
  • briffle 8mo ago
    I hear that argument, but a relative has been an elecrtrician that started out working mostly at the original facebook datacenter in 2016 or so. he now owns the business, and his single biggest client is still the facebook datacenter. Constant additions, reconfigurations, etc.
    • andruby 8mo ago
      Should still be orders different from a the continuous labor intensive manufacturing of F35's
      • bespokedevelopr 8mo ago
        Which is a straw man no? This thread is about building data centers, not F35s. Microsoft and FB aren’t competing against LM for land or jobs in Beaver Dam WI nor is it a zero-sum outcome, both can exist ie ‘manufacturing hubs’.
    • gosub100 8mo ago
      It's still contract work. When it's over so is your paycheck.
      • almosthere 8mo ago
        Construction is one of the jobs that's booming nationwide.
      • phil21 8mo ago
        For a 100MW scale facility the contract work is never over. Once you are done with one bit of work something else is in need of refreshing or changing. Components are breaking daily at that scale, and switch gear, UPS, generators, breakers, etc. all have useful lifetimes and a replacement cycle. It’s effectively a full time job for an electrician crew or three. Of course once the facility goes away entirely the job does too. But so goes a factory or anything else.
    • SketchySeaBeast 8mo ago
      How big is the business?
  • ecshafer 8mo ago
    In these small rust belt towns, even 40 jobs is a huge boost. You have the hands on sysadmin and network guys there, which yeah thats small. But you also have facilities, security, maintenance. When you combine this with the stimulus to the local economy through construction its a positive. Sure its not a 10k person factory, but there are places where the biggest employer is Walmart. These places look at an Amazon Warehouse or a Datacenter as being a big benefit.
    • its_ethan 8mo ago
      I'd also chime in that the presence of a datacenter in a smaller community can also help through the increased tax revenue the town/county gets. Likely there's some kind of tax incentive for the datacenter to be built in one place over another, but I have to imagine that the local county is going to net some sort of increase to it's revenue, which can be used to then support the town. There's also the benefit of the land the datacenter is on being developed. Even if that is done in financial isolation from the town/county, a pretty fancy new building designed for tech is being built. Should the datacenter go belly up, that's still a useable building/development that has some value.
      • chneu 8mo ago
        Its not as much as you'd expect and the townsfolk often get saddled with higher utility costs, among other things. When the tax incentive timelines runs out, the data centers just claim they'll move away and the tax cuts get renewed. Its happening in Hillsboro, Oregon right now. The city promised some land just outside of the boundary would stay farm land until 2030 or later. The city reneged on that already. The utility rates have also doubled in recent years thanks to datacenters. The roads are destroyed from construction which damages cars, further increasing the burden on everyone else.
        • its_ethan 8mo ago
          Sure, but that's to my second point of if they pick up camp and leave, that's still developed property that has potential to be more useful than it had been. And in the same way that construction-damaged roads can lead to costs on everyone else - the development of that land employed people, and that is a positive thing for construction workers and their families (more than just financially). Just because you can point at negative consequences doesn't mean positive ones don't exist as well. It's rarely black and white as to the net effects of things like this. You could/should even be considering what doing a build-out like this does for the reputation of a city, and the sense of optimism it can bring to a local community that might otherwise be left behind, completely out of the picture. There's another world where a small town appears not in an article about a new datacenter (or the possible ensuing city renege boondoggle) but as a small blip in a story about how small towns in this country have decayed as a result of being passed by during the current tech "boom". It's also not all that trivial (or cheap) to just transport a datacenter to another state, or even county. You'd have to be pretty sure that whatever tax you're trying to now avoid is more than the (potentially) zero-tax new build or relocation you'd have to do to "escape". At the end of the day, it's the responsibility of the local government to make sure that the deal is a net benefit to the community. Maybe that is too much to expect lol
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