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Empathy, that is what you appear to be missing in your equation. If I see someone about to chuck a baby off a cliff, I hope I step out of my normal comfort zon
by JayNitram 8mo ago
Empathy, that is what you appear to be missing in your equation. If I see someone about to chuck a baby off a cliff, I hope I step out of my normal comfort zone and do something. In that case it is probably pretty clear, and this one seems grey for some people, but for others, and myself include, ICE is affecting people's lives in ways that is unacceptable and we need to do something.
- kreetx 8mo ago[flagged]
- JayNitram 8mo agoStreeeeeeeetch, but good on you, keep up whatever it is you are attempting.
- kreetx 8mo ago(to the sibling, too) What did you see happen then? Here: https://youtu.be/NCfv1cWtpvg?t=66 https://youtu.be/NCfv1cWtpvg?t=66
- JayNitram 8mo agoMasked people rushing a car and drawing weapons and the driver panicking. Now ask me who appears to escalate the entire situation. Or what the actual penalty for impeding a lane of traffic is.
- kreetx 8mo agoFrom what I've read, there was some kind of community watch and/or protest going on for ICE there, patrol cars, etc. But you're saying she had the suspicion that a few masked thugs had accidentally gotten lost within the police operation?
- JayNitram 8mo agoWe are too far past the fascist crap too entertain this stupidity. I get it, you don't see a problem with any of it. Now go enjoy your dumb little life and I am going to go back trying to find ways to help make friends and family I have in the Minneapolis area feel safe again.
- kreetx 8mo agoEverything is more nuanced than your all-or-nothing any of it designation. You say that there was no getaway performed and the person trying to drive away wasn't aware that it was law enforcement that had ordered her to stay. Sure, she didn't deserve to die. But if you charge towards an officer, or reasonably appear to do so, then these things happen. Why didn't she peacefully stay put instead?
- andrewjf 8mo agoPropaganda. The actual videos do not support this conclusion at all. You’re being lied to.
- kreetx 8mo agoI've seen the actual videos. While tragic, then she was trying to drive away, not obeying the approaching officer's orders. At that moment, the officer towards she was driving was the one that shot her. It also seemed that right before the event she was doing some kind of traffic regulation there which is why the officers approached her.
- mindslight 8mo agoYou can't start at the point the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her. That's equivalent to equating legality with morality, which doesn't work when talking about what ought to be. Rather you have to examine the entire situation, which was an extreme escalation by ICE in response to what was essentially protesting.
- kreetx 8mo agoThere was no pretext to execute her. It's when she started driving (even spun the wheels I think) towards the officer were shots fired. In your mind, does police getaway equate with protesting now?
- mindslight 8mo agoAs I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her.
- kreetx 8mo agoAnd as I said, there was no pretext to execute her. (Or you need to explain what the word "pretext" means to you, and perhaps also "execute".)