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I would call strong opposition to Musk a democratic responsibility, not a derangement. We are talking about a guy with a fondness for the far right and throwing

by adriand 9mo ago

I would call strong opposition to Musk a democratic responsibility, not a derangement. We are talking about a guy with a fondness for the far right and throwing Nazi salutes, and whose destruction of USAID had, by November 2025, resulted in “hundreds of thousands of deaths”. [1] Those, of course, are just a couple of examples. If strong opposition to that kind of evil makes me deranged, count me in. 1: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

gulfofamerica 9mo ago
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cbeach 9mo ago
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- ginko 9mo ago
  >The "salute" in particular is simply a politically-expedient freeze-frame from a Musk speech, where he said "my heart goes out to you all" and happened to raise his arm. Yeah, no. I thought so as well initially but then I saw the video. The guy throws out his arm straight out multiple times.
thegreatpeter 9mo ago
Did you even read the article you sent? It’s all based on estimates. It is consensus seeking derangement at best
- tsimionescu 9mo ago
  An article about a counterfactual (how many people would have survived had aid continued as before) can only be based on estimates, not real world data, yes, by its very nature. You can say the estimates are wrong, or that the source isn't trustworthy, maybe. But providing estimates for counterfactuals is not in any way illegitimate.
dash2 9mo ago
Sure, but that is not a defence against the claim that his journalistic coverage is biased.
user34283 9mo ago
I strongly oppose the constant slander and the litany of lies partisan commenters post about Musk. You don't get to throw out "fondness for throwing Nazi salutes" slander, based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time, and then act like you're doing democracy a favor. Try to stick to the facts. Regarding the journalist discussed here, I had a look at his X account, and he posted no less than 20 posts attacking Tesla and Musk in just the last day. It's virtually all he posts, and it indeed appears deranged. The flagged comment was fair enough.
- tsimionescu 9mo ago
  > based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time We've all seen the video, there is no hoax and no doubt that he was doing a nazi salute, with some level of "humor" defense.
  - user34283 9mo ago
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    - ivolimmen 9mo ago
      I think most of us don't care about the opinion of any Israël politician as they are doing Nazi things (genocide).
  - paxprose 9mo ago
    Seriously what is up with all the Electrical n apologists? Dude's a nazi. Weaseled his way into everything digitally related to the American government and should be treated like foreign intelligence agent. He has oversold and under-delivered everything he has bought from other people to claim for himself. Weird he's got so many dickriders on HN.
- krisoft 9mo ago
  > You don't get to throw out "fondness for throwing Nazi salutes" slander, based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time, and then act like you're doing democracy a favor. Just to clarify. This is the video context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw Are you claiming that this is not an accurate depiction of what happened on stage? (That is the video is in some form fake. A deep fake, or special effects, or an Elon impersonator or whatever.) Or are you claiming that the gesture seen is not a nazi salute?

by adriand 9mo ago

gulfofamerica 9mo ago

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cbeach 9mo ago

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ginko 9mo ago
>The "salute" in particular is simply a politically-expedient freeze-frame from a Musk speech, where he said "my heart goes out to you all" and happened to raise his arm. Yeah, no. I thought so as well initially but then I saw the video. The guy throws out his arm straight out multiple times.

thegreatpeter 9mo ago

Did you even read the article you sent? It’s all based on estimates. It is consensus seeking derangement at best

tsimionescu 9mo ago
An article about a counterfactual (how many people would have survived had aid continued as before) can only be based on estimates, not real world data, yes, by its very nature. You can say the estimates are wrong, or that the source isn't trustworthy, maybe. But providing estimates for counterfactuals is not in any way illegitimate.

dash2 9mo ago

Sure, but that is not a defence against the claim that his journalistic coverage is biased.

user34283 9mo ago

I strongly oppose the constant slander and the litany of lies partisan commenters post about Musk. You don't get to throw out "fondness for throwing Nazi salutes" slander, based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time, and then act like you're doing democracy a favor. Try to stick to the facts. Regarding the journalist discussed here, I had a look at his X account, and he posted no less than 20 posts attacking Tesla and Musk in just the last day. It's virtually all he posts, and it indeed appears deranged. The flagged comment was fair enough.

tsimionescu 9mo ago
> based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time We've all seen the video, there is no hoax and no doubt that he was doing a nazi salute, with some level of "humor" defense.
- user34283 9mo ago
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  - ivolimmen 9mo ago
    I think most of us don't care about the opinion of any Israël politician as they are doing Nazi things (genocide).
- paxprose 9mo ago
  Seriously what is up with all the Electrical n apologists? Dude's a nazi. Weaseled his way into everything digitally related to the American government and should be treated like foreign intelligence agent. He has oversold and under-delivered everything he has bought from other people to claim for himself. Weird he's got so many dickriders on HN.
krisoft 9mo ago
> You don't get to throw out "fondness for throwing Nazi salutes" slander, based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time, and then act like you're doing democracy a favor. Just to clarify. This is the video context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw Are you claiming that this is not an accurate depiction of what happened on stage? (That is the video is in some form fake. A deep fake, or special effects, or an Elon impersonator or whatever.) Or are you claiming that the gesture seen is not a nazi salute?