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No words are not required. Authoritarian. Totalitarian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism is an OLD term.

lm28469 9mo ago
None of these are "communism"... people who don't know better use it as a "china bad" gotcha because it's about as far as their political education allows them to think but it really is way more complex than that. > Authoritarian. Totalitarian. Yes these apply, but they're not synonyms of communism. The Iranian government is authoritarian, totalitarian and absolutely not communist > Red fascism is an OLD term. But surely you see how dumb this sounds? Fascism is by definition a far right moment, communism is by definition far left moment. By definition fascism is opposed to communism... Of course if we start using literal American propagandists buzzwords ("red fascism") as a basis for modern political discussions we're not going to get anywhere...
- amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
  I'm not sure left vs right is that useful a distinction. Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany called themselves socialist, and both claimed to be doing what was best for their people.
  - krapp 9mo ago
    >Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany called themselves socialist, and both claimed to be doing what was best for their people. The Nazis weren't socialist. They appropriated the term as a propaganda tactic, a means of appealing to the masses. North Korea calls itself a democratic republic, but is obviously neither. One can't simply assume political labels to be correct. In terms of their actual policies and beliefs, the Nazis were vehemently anti-socialist. https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
    - Fnoord 9mo ago
      One could argue fascism is a subset of populism.
    - jfyi 9mo ago
      Germany and Italy practiced Corporatism in that era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism This was their economic "Holy Bible"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Charter_of_1927 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Charter_of_1927 If you really want a rabbit hole, compare the Labor Charter of 1927 to Project 2025 while assuming the free market rhetoric in the later is deliberate misdirection.
  - triceratops 9mo ago
    The addition of "socialist" to the Nazi party's name was done in the early 1920s to appeal to socialist-leaning people. Hitler was against the change but was overruled by the rest of the party's leadership.

lm28469 9mo ago

None of these are "communism"... people who don't know better use it as a "china bad" gotcha because it's about as far as their political education allows them to think but it really is way more complex than that. > Authoritarian. Totalitarian. Yes these apply, but they're not synonyms of communism. The Iranian government is authoritarian, totalitarian and absolutely not communist > Red fascism is an OLD term. But surely you see how dumb this sounds? Fascism is by definition a far right moment, communism is by definition far left moment. By definition fascism is opposed to communism... Of course if we start using literal American propagandists buzzwords ("red fascism") as a basis for modern political discussions we're not going to get anywhere...

amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
I'm not sure left vs right is that useful a distinction. Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany called themselves socialist, and both claimed to be doing what was best for their people.
- krapp 9mo ago
  >Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany called themselves socialist, and both claimed to be doing what was best for their people. The Nazis weren't socialist. They appropriated the term as a propaganda tactic, a means of appealing to the masses. North Korea calls itself a democratic republic, but is obviously neither. One can't simply assume political labels to be correct. In terms of their actual policies and beliefs, the Nazis were vehemently anti-socialist. https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
  - Fnoord 9mo ago
    One could argue fascism is a subset of populism.
  - jfyi 9mo ago
    Germany and Italy practiced Corporatism in that era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism This was their economic "Holy Bible"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Charter_of_1927 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Charter_of_1927 If you really want a rabbit hole, compare the Labor Charter of 1927 to Project 2025 while assuming the free market rhetoric in the later is deliberate misdirection.
- triceratops 9mo ago
  The addition of "socialist" to the Nazi party's name was done in the early 1920s to appeal to socialist-leaning people. Hitler was against the change but was overruled by the rest of the party's leadership.