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I bought a new Model Y a few months ago. On the whole, it's a great car, it really is. They've pretty much nailed the fundamentals. It's opinionated, not unlik

by dissent 9mo ago

I bought a new Model Y a few months ago. On the whole, it's a great car, it really is. They've pretty much nailed the fundamentals. It's opinionated, not unlike Apple, but if the opinions work for you you'll enjoy the car. But there are shortcomings, and they are jarring. The parking sensors basically don't work at all due to being vision only - and apparently can't be made to work properly. The lane change and reverse warnings are just crap and may as well not be there. My previous car implemented these to perfection, but I cannot trust the Tesla. The autopilot is a gimmick that offers you nothing but increased risk - and there's no way in hell I'd trust FSD for car that can't accurately detect the distance of my house when parking. The big touchscreen is great for passengers, but outright dangerous for drivers. Having said all that, it seems strong emotions around Musk and Tesla cause people to want Tesla to fail. They want the car to be bad. There is so much motivated reasoning around this brand that it's hard to take any article like the above, or half the comments in this thread, seriously.

frm88 9mo ago
There's also the various reports of federal technical supervision instances that attest Teslas have the highest failure rates: Germany: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tuev-report-2026-tesla-model-y-has-the-worst-reliability-among-all-20222023-cars-261596.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tuev-report-2026-tesla-mo... Denmark: https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-trafik-og-biler/tesla-skandalen-fortsaetter-naesten-hver-anden-tesla-model-y-dumper-til-syn https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-trafik-og-biler/tesla-skandale... Ireland: https://www.rsa.ie/road-safety/statistics/nct-statistics-and-annual-reviews https://www.rsa.ie/road-safety/statistics/nct-statistics-and... At some point you have to acknowledge the data as facts.
- dissent 9mo ago
  I kind of don't really care, as long as I get good service if my car is affected. I'm not defending them here. The next few years will tell if it was a bad buy or not. So far I'm really happy with it. My point was there's a huge anti-Tesla bias entirely as a reaction to Elon Musk. It's emotional, not rational. It's not objective criticism of Tesla. Sure, there are some awful moves he's made, vision only, FSD claims, but if it was another car company it wouldn't even be on HN. Wasn't so long ago that VW (a manufacturer literally started by the Nazis by the way!) were caught falsifying their emissions.
  - zombot 9mo ago
    And now the US has its own car manufacturer literally started by a Nazi. If you dislike Nazis, is that rational or emotional?
    - dissent 9mo ago
      I actually don't really care if he's a nice person or not, just like I don't care who the CEO of other car makers are. But for the record I think it's pretty silly to call him a Nazi.
      - Lord-Jobo 9mo ago
        How many Sieg Heils do you have to do consecutively before it’s NOT silly to be called a nazi? In your opinion
        dissent 9mo ago
        I saw more of an awkward guy doing a weird gesture, either because he was trying to be edgy, or he meant it as something else. He might even have done it as an ill advised joke because people were already calling him one. It's silly to call him a nazi because he doesn't fit the profile well at all. It only works if you redefine nazi to be whatever you don't agree with at the moment. This might even be harmful, as it's an obvious strawman that provides cover for his real faults. He denies being a nazi. We can take his word on that. One thing about nazis is they are weren't shy about their beliefs.
        zombot 9mo ago
        > because people were already calling him one. Now if that's not the darndest coincidence.
        dissent 9mo ago
        Godwin's Law. But without the usual irony.
NalNezumi 9mo ago
>There is so much motivated reasoning around this brand that it's hard to take any article like the above, or half the comments in this thread, seriously. Funny, because for the last year, any submission that have Tesla or Musk or Musk associated with something negative have been flagged very quickly. I assume by Musk fanboys. So when an article or two slips the Crack, it naturally is filled with criticism. Survivor bias at its finest. Your criticism paragraph being longer than "it really is great!" paragraph does point towards motivated reasoning going both ways.
- dissent 9mo ago
  If I said I wasn't a Musk or Tesla fanboy, I would expect you to take me at my word. I gave a two sided account of my Tesla experience. I do like this car, and I bought it because I liked it. Maybe it gets flagged because there's no chance of having an intellectually honest discussion if it involves Elon or Tesla? I certainly don't flag them.
tzs 8mo ago
> The parking sensors basically don't work at all due to being vision only - and apparently can't be made to work properly What's stupid about this is that it is hard to come up with a good reason for it. The no LIDAR thing is at least understandable because at the time LIDAR was very expensive. Ultrasonic parking sensors are cheap. Same for automatic windshield wipers, which have been a significant source of complaints from Tesla owners. Pretty much everyone else uses a dedicated sensor that is simple and inexpensive and works well. Technology Connections has a good video on how it works [1]. Tesla uses vision. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ

by dissent 9mo ago

frm88 9mo ago

There's also the various reports of federal technical supervision instances that attest Teslas have the highest failure rates: Germany: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tuev-report-2026-tesla-model-y-has-the-worst-reliability-among-all-20222023-cars-261596.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tuev-report-2026-tesla-mo... Denmark: https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-trafik-og-biler/tesla-skandalen-fortsaetter-naesten-hver-anden-tesla-model-y-dumper-til-syn https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-trafik-og-biler/tesla-skandale... Ireland: https://www.rsa.ie/road-safety/statistics/nct-statistics-and-annual-reviews https://www.rsa.ie/road-safety/statistics/nct-statistics-and... At some point you have to acknowledge the data as facts.

dissent 9mo ago
I kind of don't really care, as long as I get good service if my car is affected. I'm not defending them here. The next few years will tell if it was a bad buy or not. So far I'm really happy with it. My point was there's a huge anti-Tesla bias entirely as a reaction to Elon Musk. It's emotional, not rational. It's not objective criticism of Tesla. Sure, there are some awful moves he's made, vision only, FSD claims, but if it was another car company it wouldn't even be on HN. Wasn't so long ago that VW (a manufacturer literally started by the Nazis by the way!) were caught falsifying their emissions.
- zombot 9mo ago
  And now the US has its own car manufacturer literally started by a Nazi. If you dislike Nazis, is that rational or emotional?
  - dissent 9mo ago
    I actually don't really care if he's a nice person or not, just like I don't care who the CEO of other car makers are. But for the record I think it's pretty silly to call him a Nazi.
    - Lord-Jobo 9mo ago
      How many Sieg Heils do you have to do consecutively before it’s NOT silly to be called a nazi? In your opinion
      - dissent 9mo ago
        I saw more of an awkward guy doing a weird gesture, either because he was trying to be edgy, or he meant it as something else. He might even have done it as an ill advised joke because people were already calling him one. It's silly to call him a nazi because he doesn't fit the profile well at all. It only works if you redefine nazi to be whatever you don't agree with at the moment. This might even be harmful, as it's an obvious strawman that provides cover for his real faults. He denies being a nazi. We can take his word on that. One thing about nazis is they are weren't shy about their beliefs.
        zombot 9mo ago
        > because people were already calling him one. Now if that's not the darndest coincidence.
        dissent 9mo ago
        Godwin's Law. But without the usual irony.

NalNezumi 9mo ago

>There is so much motivated reasoning around this brand that it's hard to take any article like the above, or half the comments in this thread, seriously. Funny, because for the last year, any submission that have Tesla or Musk or Musk associated with something negative have been flagged very quickly. I assume by Musk fanboys. So when an article or two slips the Crack, it naturally is filled with criticism. Survivor bias at its finest. Your criticism paragraph being longer than "it really is great!" paragraph does point towards motivated reasoning going both ways.

dissent 9mo ago
If I said I wasn't a Musk or Tesla fanboy, I would expect you to take me at my word. I gave a two sided account of my Tesla experience. I do like this car, and I bought it because I liked it. Maybe it gets flagged because there's no chance of having an intellectually honest discussion if it involves Elon or Tesla? I certainly don't flag them.

tzs 8mo ago

> The parking sensors basically don't work at all due to being vision only - and apparently can't be made to work properly What's stupid about this is that it is hard to come up with a good reason for it. The no LIDAR thing is at least understandable because at the time LIDAR was very expensive. Ultrasonic parking sensors are cheap. Same for automatic windshield wipers, which have been a significant source of complaints from Tesla owners. Pretty much everyone else uses a dedicated sensor that is simple and inexpensive and works well. Technology Connections has a good video on how it works [1]. Tesla uses vision. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ