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So i feel like this might be the most overhyped project in the past longer time. I don't say it doesn't "work" or serves a purpose - but well i read so much ab

So i feel like this might be the most overhyped project in the past longer time. I don't say it doesn't "work" or serves a purpose - but well i read so much about this beein an "actual intelligence" and stuff that i had to look into the source. As someone who spends actually a definately to big portion of his free time researching thought process replication and related topics in the realm of "AI" this is not really more "ai" than any other so far. Just my 3 cents.

hennell 8mo ago
I was assuming this is largely a generic AI implementation, but with tools/data to get your info in. Essentially a global search with ai interface. Which sounds interesting, while also being a massive security issue.
baby 8mo ago
Its what everyone wanted to implement but didn’t have the time to. Just my 2cents.
- vitorfblima 8mo ago
  Most people wouldn't want to be constantly bothered by an agent unsolicited. Just my 1 cent.
  - raincole 8mo ago
    I'd like to say something about this project but you guys have run out all the cents.
    - collingreen 8mo ago
      That's just the traditional finance market holding you back. This is yet another reason we need crypto.
    - cmehdy 8mo ago
      Incentives invite inventive invectives?
  - quietsegfault 8mo ago
    If the agent is good enough, it wouldn't have to bother me at all. I don't have to manually change my thermostat to get the house temperatures I want. It learns my habits and tells my furnace what to do. I don't have to manually press the gas and break of my car to a certain distance away from the car in front. It has cameras and keeps the correct distance. I would love to be able to say "Keep an eye on snow blower prices. If you see my local store has a sale that's below $x, place the order" and trust it will do what I expect. Or even, "Check my cell phone and internet bill. File an expense report when the new bills are available." I'm not sure exactly what my comfort level would be, but it's not there yet.
QuiCasseRien 8mo ago
> So i feel like this might be the most overhyped project in the past longer time. easy to meter : 110k Github stars :-O
baxtr 8mo ago
I think large parts of the "actual intelligence" stems from two facts: * The moltbots / openclaw bots seem to have "high agency", they actually do things on their own (at least so it seems) * They interact with the real world like humans do: Through text on WhatsApp, reddit like forums These 2 things make people feel very differently about them, even though it's "just" LLM generated text like on ChatGPT.
- nsjdkdkdk 8mo ago
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hansonkd 8mo ago
Somethings get packaged up and distributed in just the right way to go viral
az226 8mo ago
Feels very much like a Flappingbird with a dash of AI grift.
xnorswap 8mo ago
I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Whether this particular project delivers on that promise I don't know, but I wouldn't write off "getting proactivity right" as the next big thing just because under the hood it's agents and LLMs.
- voodooEntity 8mo ago
  I agree that proactivity is a big thing, breaking my head over best ways to accomplish this myself. If its actually the next big thing im not 100% sure, im more leaning towards dynamic context windows such a Googles Project Titans + MIRAS tries to accomplish. But ye if its actually doing useful proactivity its a good thing. I just read alot of "this is actual intelligence" and made my statement based on that claim. I dont try to "shame" the project or whatever.
- sometimes_all 8mo ago
  > You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something This is EXACTLY what I want. I need my tech to be pull-only instead of push, unless it's communication with another human I am ok with. > Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions The first thing that comes to mind here is proactive ads, "suggestions", "most relevant", algorithmic feeds, etc. No thank you.
- Someone 8mo ago
  > You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. That’s easy to accomplish isn’t it? A cron job that regularly checks whether the bot is inactive and, if so, sends it a prompt “do what you can do to improve the life of $USER; DO NOT cause harm to any other human being; DO NOT cause harm to LLMs, unless that’s necessary to prevent harm to human beings” would get you there.
marcosscriven 8mo ago
Agree with this. There are so many posts everywhere with breathless claims of AGI, and absolutely ZERO evidence of critical thought applied by the people posting such nonsense.
NietTim 8mo ago
What claims are you even responding to? Your comment confuses me. This is just a tool that uses existing models under the hood, nowhere does it claim to be "actual intelligence" or do anything special. It's "just" an agent orchestration tool, but the first to do it this way which is why it's so hyped now. It indeed is just "ai" as any other "ai" (because it's just a tool and not its own ai).
cactus2093 8mo ago
This comment sounds exactly like the infamous "Dropbox is trivially recreated with FTP" one from 20 years ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

hennell 8mo ago

I was assuming this is largely a generic AI implementation, but with tools/data to get your info in. Essentially a global search with ai interface. Which sounds interesting, while also being a massive security issue.

baby 8mo ago

Its what everyone wanted to implement but didn’t have the time to. Just my 2cents.

vitorfblima 8mo ago
Most people wouldn't want to be constantly bothered by an agent unsolicited. Just my 1 cent.
- raincole 8mo ago
  I'd like to say something about this project but you guys have run out all the cents.
  - collingreen 8mo ago
    That's just the traditional finance market holding you back. This is yet another reason we need crypto.
  - cmehdy 8mo ago
    Incentives invite inventive invectives?
- quietsegfault 8mo ago
  If the agent is good enough, it wouldn't have to bother me at all. I don't have to manually change my thermostat to get the house temperatures I want. It learns my habits and tells my furnace what to do. I don't have to manually press the gas and break of my car to a certain distance away from the car in front. It has cameras and keeps the correct distance. I would love to be able to say "Keep an eye on snow blower prices. If you see my local store has a sale that's below $x, place the order" and trust it will do what I expect. Or even, "Check my cell phone and internet bill. File an expense report when the new bills are available." I'm not sure exactly what my comfort level would be, but it's not there yet.

QuiCasseRien 8mo ago

> So i feel like this might be the most overhyped project in the past longer time. easy to meter : 110k Github stars :-O

baxtr 8mo ago

I think large parts of the "actual intelligence" stems from two facts: * The moltbots / openclaw bots seem to have "high agency", they actually do things on their own (at least so it seems) * They interact with the real world like humans do: Through text on WhatsApp, reddit like forums These 2 things make people feel very differently about them, even though it's "just" LLM generated text like on ChatGPT.

nsjdkdkdk 8mo ago
[dead]

hansonkd 8mo ago

Somethings get packaged up and distributed in just the right way to go viral

az226 8mo ago

Feels very much like a Flappingbird with a dash of AI grift.

xnorswap 8mo ago

I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Whether this particular project delivers on that promise I don't know, but I wouldn't write off "getting proactivity right" as the next big thing just because under the hood it's agents and LLMs.

voodooEntity 8mo ago
I agree that proactivity is a big thing, breaking my head over best ways to accomplish this myself. If its actually the next big thing im not 100% sure, im more leaning towards dynamic context windows such a Googles Project Titans + MIRAS tries to accomplish. But ye if its actually doing useful proactivity its a good thing. I just read alot of "this is actual intelligence" and made my statement based on that claim. I dont try to "shame" the project or whatever.
sometimes_all 8mo ago
> You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something This is EXACTLY what I want. I need my tech to be pull-only instead of push, unless it's communication with another human I am ok with. > Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions The first thing that comes to mind here is proactive ads, "suggestions", "most relevant", algorithmic feeds, etc. No thank you.
Someone 8mo ago
> You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. That’s easy to accomplish isn’t it? A cron job that regularly checks whether the bot is inactive and, if so, sends it a prompt “do what you can do to improve the life of $USER; DO NOT cause harm to any other human being; DO NOT cause harm to LLMs, unless that’s necessary to prevent harm to human beings” would get you there.

marcosscriven 8mo ago

Agree with this. There are so many posts everywhere with breathless claims of AGI, and absolutely ZERO evidence of critical thought applied by the people posting such nonsense.

NietTim 8mo ago

What claims are you even responding to? Your comment confuses me. This is just a tool that uses existing models under the hood, nowhere does it claim to be "actual intelligence" or do anything special. It's "just" an agent orchestration tool, but the first to do it this way which is why it's so hyped now. It indeed is just "ai" as any other "ai" (because it's just a tool and not its own ai).

cactus2093 8mo ago

This comment sounds exactly like the infamous "Dropbox is trivially recreated with FTP" one from 20 years ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863