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I think this is pretty well established as far as neurologists are concerned and explains a lot of things. Like dreaming for instance.. just something like the

I think this is pretty well established as far as neurologists are concerned and explains a lot of things. Like dreaming for instance.. just something like the model running without sensory input constraining it.

kingstoned 9mo ago
Could you please give some sources - books or articles or videos on that topic? It's really fascinating
- jlhawn 9mo ago
  the book I mentioned (_The Experience Machine_ by Andy Clark) talks about this.
- tracerbulletx 9mo ago
  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/phib.12268?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/phib.12268?u... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23663408/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23663408/ https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rstb/article/371/1708/20160007/42206/Active-interoceptive-inference-and-the-emotional?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rstb/article/371/1708/201... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20068583/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20068583/
- voxic11 9mo ago
  https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05/book-review-surfing-uncertainty/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05/book-review-surfing-un...
- furyofantares 9mo ago
  I'll also recommend Being You by Seth Anil. It makes a lot of sense of consciousness to me. It certainly doesn't answer the question but it's not just throw your hands up and "we have no idea why qualia", and it's also not just "here's a list of neural correlates of consciousness and we won't even discuss qualia". It goes through how sensations fit into this highly constrained, highly functional hallucination that models the outside world as a sort of bayesian prediction about the world as they relate to your concerns and capabilities as a human, and then it has a very interesting discussion about emotions as they relate to inner bodily sensations.
  - masterlee_fn 8mo ago
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magospietato 9mo ago
Always wondered if dreaming is some kind of daily memory consolidation function. Logged short-term/episodic memory being filtered and the important bits baked by replaying in a limited simulacrum.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  There was once a neural network that used dreaming phases for regularisation. It would run in reverse on random data and whatever activated was down–weighted.
  - ericdfoley 9mo ago
    That's the wake sleep algorithm for undirected graphical models. Hinton had a course on Coursera around 2015 that covered a lot of pre NN deep learning. Sadly I don't think it's up anymore.
    - petethomas 9mo ago
      There is this with a 2012 date: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoRl3Ht4JOcdU872GhiYWf6jwrk_SNhz9 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoRl3Ht4JOcdU872GhiYW...

kingstoned 9mo ago

Could you please give some sources - books or articles or videos on that topic? It's really fascinating

jlhawn 9mo ago
the book I mentioned (_The Experience Machine_ by Andy Clark) talks about this.
tracerbulletx 9mo ago
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/phib.12268?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/phib.12268?u... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23663408/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23663408/ https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rstb/article/371/1708/20160007/42206/Active-interoceptive-inference-and-the-emotional?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rstb/article/371/1708/201... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20068583/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20068583/
voxic11 9mo ago
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05/book-review-surfing-uncertainty/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05/book-review-surfing-un...
furyofantares 9mo ago
I'll also recommend Being You by Seth Anil. It makes a lot of sense of consciousness to me. It certainly doesn't answer the question but it's not just throw your hands up and "we have no idea why qualia", and it's also not just "here's a list of neural correlates of consciousness and we won't even discuss qualia". It goes through how sensations fit into this highly constrained, highly functional hallucination that models the outside world as a sort of bayesian prediction about the world as they relate to your concerns and capabilities as a human, and then it has a very interesting discussion about emotions as they relate to inner bodily sensations.
- masterlee_fn 8mo ago
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magospietato 9mo ago

Always wondered if dreaming is some kind of daily memory consolidation function. Logged short-term/episodic memory being filtered and the important bits baked by replaying in a limited simulacrum.

direwolf20 9mo ago
There was once a neural network that used dreaming phases for regularisation. It would run in reverse on random data and whatever activated was down–weighted.
- ericdfoley 9mo ago
  That's the wake sleep algorithm for undirected graphical models. Hinton had a course on Coursera around 2015 that covered a lot of pre NN deep learning. Sadly I don't think it's up anymore.
  - petethomas 9mo ago
    There is this with a 2012 date: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoRl3Ht4JOcdU872GhiYWf6jwrk_SNhz9 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoRl3Ht4JOcdU872GhiYW...