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Tesla also announced they will be discontinuing the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward. But this is

• kube-system 8mo ago
  Also California raised false advertising issues with the naming of “autopilot”
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• jjice 8mo ago
  I have a newer Corolla that's pretty much the absolute floor of the base model (LE with I believe minimal packages) and it has all the technology one would expect now, all while having physical buttons where it matters. Lane assist and adaptive cruise control are table stakes now.
  • tasty_freeze 8mo ago
    Indeed, I have a 2023 Corolla. The dealer didn't like it when I said "LE" stands for "Low End" as a joke (it means Limited Edition). The technology for such a low end car is impressive. In addition to adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, the display shows the speed limit not by consulting a map but by reading the signs as you drive down the street. They call it RSA, Road Sign Assist. It also uses the camera and radar to alert when there are potential hazards (closing too quicky on the car in front, and lane changing into someone in the blind spot). All that in a $23K car, built into that base price.
    • TheCondor 8mo ago
      Makes you wonder. Technology usually becomes less expensive. Car companies have used it as a differentiator for years though. There are giant cost differences between like a base line Tundra and a top of the line and the mechanicals are the same; it's more price for luxury and more tech. Seems like Toyota is about to make a big Lexus pivot in the next year or two.
    • vostrocity 8mo ago
      I always thought Toyota's LE connoted Luxury Edition and SE Sport Edition
      • tasty_freeze 8mo ago
        You are right -- I just looked it up. All the same, the LE is the low-end Corolla model and I wouldn't have ever guessed it meant luxury edition.
        • NoGravitas 8mo ago
          In the 1980s, it was the high-end trim line, more or less across the board. I believe it gradually drifted down as special trim lines for different models were added until it was the base line on everything.
    • borborigmus 8mo ago
      2022 Corolla owner here. Mine is UK spec with “Design” trim, which is middle of the range in terms of luxuries. I love mine. It’s got enough technology without it being annoying and has everything I want. The adaptive cruise is a killer feature. Best car I’ve ever owned.
      • ethbr1 8mo ago
        As the unofficial corporate tag line quips: 'Toyota: for when your favorite appliance color is beige' But in all seriousness, I'll give props to Honda, Toyota, and Mazda for amazing engineering cultures. In the sense of being extremely good at optimizing trade-offs.
  • sigio 8mo ago
    I think in (most of) europe, most of the safety-related features are mandatory on all new cars these days, so all these features must come on all trim levels. This does make the base model a lot more expensive then a few years back, but you get all the nice features, so that also makes them cheaper in general.
    • AlexandrB 8mo ago
      Honestly, I don't like this trend. Some of these features - like lane keeping - encourage/enable distracted driving. Meanwhile the necessary sensors make cars so expensive to repair that they're becoming a disposable good. As my driving instructor says: If you need a lane keeping system to keep your car in a lane, you shouldn't be behind the wheel.
      • rf15 8mo ago
        Lane keeping is also tremendously dangerous, if the system gets confused on e.g. construction sites. I hated how much I had to fight the car not to swerve into the huge barriers running along the middle of the original road layout.
        • NetMageSCW 8mo ago
          Like many (many) things, it is all about the implementation - not all lane keeping assist thinks it knows better than the driver.
          • bzzzt 8mo ago
            The problem is knowing which lane keeping assist systems are good and which are not. Every dealer just treats it as a 'checkbox' item and implementations vary by model and year. Had a Kia loaner a few years back that to my surprise tried to actively kill me by repeatedly steering into oncoming traffic on a provincial road. I really prefer steering myself to last-second correcting a temperamental computer.
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  • esalman 8mo ago
    I have an acura Integra and a Toyota Highlander. Both have most of the capabilities as standard except stopping for obstacles/traffic lights and making lane change or turns. They can detect vehicles around it and follow the one in front. Theoretically once you are on the highway/interstate they can drive themselves.
  • digiown 8mo ago
    Can you remove the modem or sim card to prevent it from phoning home without disabling these features?
  • CGMthrowaway 8mo ago
    Tesla Model 3/Y will includes Lane Departure Avoidance (a reactive safety feature that nudges you back if you accidentally drift over a line), it just will not actively steer to keep you centered
  • octorian 8mo ago
    I'm very happy that the "base model" of cars now has a lot of the modern tech. Not because I'd personally buy a base model, but because its what you get whenever you travel and need to rent something. In the past, when traveling, I'd be shocked at just how bare the rental cars were compared to my normal home experience. Fortunately that's no longer the case.
  • phil21 8mo ago
    Yeah, I rented a Corolla recently which was about as basic as it got - and within less than 90 seconds of entering the vehicle/driving I had everything I needed figured out. CarPlay was trivial to pair up. Screen resolution was meh, but otherwise it Just Worked(tm). Adaptive cruise was trivial to turn on and read the indicators for. Lane keep assist was also overtly obvious - both if it was on, and how to turn it on/off. The A/C controls were nice easily understood knobs and buttons. Blindspot detection was standard, worked great. Overall just a very intuitive vehicle.
• Xmd5a 8mo ago
  2 days ago: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/47744955/paok-fans-killed-minibus-crash-romania-lyon-europa-league https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/47744955/paok-fans-ki... I'll let you find the video, it's brutal. Allegedly caused by lane assist activating out of the blue when overtaking other cars.
  • nottorp 8mo ago
    That was 2 days ago and it caught my eye. Unfortunately, today in Romanian news: Google translated link: https://hotnews-ro.translate.goog/cocaina-cannabis-si-alcool-in-sangele-soferului-microbuzului-cu-suporteri-greci-implicati-in-accidentul-din-timis-anunta-procurorii-2160954?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=yua&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://hotnews-ro.translate.goog/cocaina-cannabis-si-alcool... Original link: https://hotnews.ro/cocaina-cannabis-si-alcool-in-sangele-soferului-microbuzului-cu-suporteri-greci-implicati-in-accidentul-din-timis-anunta-procurorii-2160954 https://hotnews.ro/cocaina-cannabis-si-alcool-in-sangele-sof... Informative title: Cocaine, cannabis and alcohol in the blood of the driver of the minibus with Greek supporters involved in the accident in Timiș, prosecutors announce Lol part: The hypothesis was rejected by the company that rented the minibus. The company's lawyer stated to the Greek publication naftemporiki.gr that the rented vehicle did not have the lane assist system.
  • alterom 8mo ago
    > I'll let you find the video, it's brutal This Daily Mail article¹ has it. It.. doesn't look brutal to me? Just looks like the minibus driver, who was driving on the median, veered across it into the oncoming lane to crash with the semi. He wasn't in a lane to begin with. > Allegedly caused by lane assist activating out of the blue Yeah dawg, imma need a second opinion on this. This is alleged by the survivors of the crush. Which is weird, because the passengers wouldn't know about what happened in the split-second that resulted in the crash. Particularly, the passengers wouldn't know about whether lane assist interfered. And the driver, who would, also happened to be drunk and high AF on cannabis, cocaine, and yet-to-be-identified stuff found in the vehicle at the moment of accident⁴. Methinks, these allegations might be a lil' biased. * * * EDIT: the other comment revealed the news that the vehicle did not have a lane assist feature. Such surprise. _____ ¹ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15503545/SEVEN-PAOK-fans-killed-minibus-crash.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15503545/... ² https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15503545/SEVEN-PAOK-fans-killed-minibus-crash.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15503545/... ³ https://www.romaniajournal.ro/society-people/law-crime/new-updates-in-crash-that-killed-7-paok-thessaloniki-fans/ https://www.romaniajournal.ro/society-people/law-crime/new-u... ⁴ https://agerpres.ro/english/2026/01/29/toxicology-tests-reveal-driver-of-crashed-greek-minibus-had-cannabis-cocaine-alcohol-in-his-system--1523267 https://agerpres.ro/english/2026/01/29/toxicology-tests-reve...
• netsharc 8mo ago
  > Musk's incentive pay has a 10 million full self-driving subscription. Step 1: > discontinu[e] the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control Step 2: Redefine "Full Self-Driving" to be those things. Charge 50 cents per month subscription or whatever. Step 3: Get 10 million subscribers. Step 4: 100 billion dollar payout! (Number pulled out of my butt)
  • TacoCommander 8mo ago
    Parallel steps: Step 1: SpaceX IPO Step 2: Trillion dollar payout Step 3: Nothing matters any more
    • Nevermark 8mo ago
      SpaceX is rockets, now global satellite internet, ... To credibly harness off-world resources at any scale, there are going to need to be automated refueling depots and many kinds of robotic automation for resource extraction. With the Asteroid Belt looking amazing for quantity and accessibility of resources. That would also completely remove the lid on how many $ trillions of market cap SpaceX could accrue. So I find it ironic that Tesla is moving away from cars as product, and still talking up humanoid robots, which as yet are not a product, and as research don't seem to have an edge on anyone. ALSO: Data centers on the moon make more sense than data centers in orbit. Obviously where latency isn't king, but compute is. Simple cooling sinks, dense (low local latency) expansion, dense (efficient) maintenance, etc.
      • worik 8mo ago
        > With the Asteroid Belt looking amazing for quantity and accessibility of resources. Watch out universe, here we come! What could possibly go wrong, mining asteroids? An awful lot, when we start messing with orbital dynamics in the asteroid belt. But Space X can externalise those risks. It will probably be centuries before disturbed orbits start to threaten Earth... So who cares? Me.
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• FireBeyond 8mo ago
  > the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer What? Basic lane keep and adaptive cruise control have been around a lot longer than Tesla. Mercedes introduced ACC in 1999 (though Mitsubishi had an accelerator-only - could apply or ease off accelerator but not actively brake - in 1995). Lane keeping was introduced again by Mitsubishi in the early 90s, though it was more 'lane departure warning'. But by 2000 Mercedes was offering it in some trucks and by 2003 Honda had it widely available in the Inspire with active lane keeping.
• vel0city 8mo ago
  > the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward LKA existed well before Tesla HW1 released. Honda had cars on the road in 2003 with LKA systems. That's 11 years before Tesla HW1 was available.
  • jjtheblunt 8mo ago
    our 2014 jeep cherokee had it too, and i'm not sure if it was available earlier though may have been (in jeep models i mean)
• Alive-in-2025 8mo ago
  Unless they dramatically reduce the price, they won't get to 10 million any time soon if ever. This article discusses paid subscriptions info releases in the earnings report, https://electrek.co/2026/01/28/tesla-discloses-fsd-subscriber-count-first-time-1-million/ https://electrek.co/2026/01/28/tesla-discloses-fsd-subscribe... 800k paid subs in q4/2024, about the same in q1/2025, 900k in q2/2025, 1 million in q3/25, and 1.1 million in q4/2025. Let's call that 100k growth per quarter in 2025, and currently at 1.1 million subs. They'll have to significantly increase their growth rate. The interesting modeling point is tesla car sales are dropping, down 9% to 1.6 million last year. All their new vehicles are capable of fsd with subscription, but thats only about 1.5 million a year (and likely to keep shrinking). I think the only way they get good uptake is to make the price cheap, like $1 a month, with 12 free months but you have to give your credit card (ie fees that people don't notice scam like every streaming company). Even if every new buyer gets it, it would take many years at 1.5 million sales a year. Need 8.9 million more subscribers, 8.9/1.5 sales = ~6 years at 100% uptake. There are about 9 million current owners, but I'd guess at least 50% can't run current FSD code - they are on version 4.5 of their hardware (they recently released 4.5 in some new cars, and they have a major upgrade to v5 coming in a year or two). There's no harm if they don't get to 10 million, because Musk shouldn't have that really large stock payoff as he's killing the company.
  • t0mas88 8mo ago
    Expect Musk to throw a tantrum and demand to get 80% of his payoff anyway or he'll leave. And nobody should be surprised if the board gives in, they've been selected to be on Musks side no matter what.
  • direwolf20 8mo ago
    To juice Copilot subscription numbers, Microsoft renamed Office to Copilot. Musk should do something similar. By renaming the heated seat subscription to "full self–driving" and making it free, I'm sure he could achieve 10 million.
• mikestew 8mo ago
  …discontinuing the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward. [Citation needed] Cars had adaptive cruise control and lane keeping well before Tesla showed up. As for the feature itself, we have a camper van on a 2024 Ram chassis. It’s a work truck at its core, with fancy RV bits added on. And it has ACC/lane keeping. It claims it will even park itself, though I’ve not tried. So Tesla is now charging for features that your roofer got for free with her work van. Such luxury.
  • tzs 8mo ago
    Well before indeed...it first was available in the mid '90s. It was 2006 that adaptive cruise control systems that could work in stop and go traffic came out.
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• agentcoops 8mo ago
  Honestly, I don't think it's irrational: the car industry is just horrible from a business perspective, which is why Tesla had to be financed for so long by crypto scams and most investors wouldn't touch it. Historically (if of course briefly/crudely), it was always a debt-backed gamble on overproduction hoping you could expand forever globally without competition (Ford) or into new market segments through financing (GM). It's paywalled unfortunately, but [1] is an illustrative Financial Times article discussing car manufacturer behavior in relation to Covid shutdowns and strikes. Many firms found the manufacturing shutdowns to be a boon: the winning strategy to accept it as a cost cut and just raise prices on existing inventory for above average financial performance. My sense is that Tesla is now just taking that a step further by getting rid of their Fordist aspirations and applying the unarguably successful Apple model to the automotive industry. They don't want to mass produce cars and hope for X% conversion rate to software and services over time: they literally don't want customers who are not able or not going to pay for recurring software services. Software is where free cash flow comes from and free cash flow is where dividends/buybacks come from, which determines the value of an equity. That, of course, is why we get paid well. I end with the disclaimer that obviously I don't believe the world should be meticulously and exclusively organized for the production of free cash flow, but I do think it's important to understand the logic. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/4da6406a-c888-49c1-b07f-daa6b9797193 https://www.ft.com/content/4da6406a-c888-49c1-b07f-daa6b9797...
• SilverElfin 8mo ago
  > Then I learned that Musk's incentive pay has a 10 million full self-driving subscription hurdle, and it all made sense. Wow that is diabolical and such a scam. I didn’t realize he was gaming the incentives this way. Is that what happened with that previous $54 billion package too?
  • delecti 8mo ago
    As far as I can tell, the criteria previous package were basically about getting the market cap up. Based on all the "no"s in the "Met" column here [1], I think you could reasonably accuse him of hitting the goals for that bonus package by driving investor hype for what Telsa "might" accomplish some day. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...
• moogly 8mo ago
  They should have discontinued the phantom braking instead.
• Gud 8mo ago
  Helped pioneer? Get real
• couchdb_ouchdb 8mo ago
  All he had to do was lower the cost of the FSD subscription to $50/month.