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Ah yes, Mozilla, that organization that has no record whatsoever fighting companies with the highest ever investment numbers; like who do they think they are?

by jrm4 9mo ago

ddtaylor 9mo ago
The Mozilla of 2002 is vastly different than the Mozilla of recent.
- jrm4 9mo ago
  Yeah, so is the internet. So what?
  - ddtaylor 9mo ago
    The old Mozilla was born from the ashes of Netscape and was an open source powerhouse. The new Mozilla does pathetic cash grabs and tries and fails to operate as a business.
tokai 9mo ago
Name one Mozilla project that beat its corporate competition.
- jrm4 9mo ago
  It doesn't have to beat it to "be winning" for purposes of "accomplishing the mission." This is exactly as goofy as saying "Linux is only 3% of the desktop therefore it is a loser."
  - tokai 9mo ago
    Name one that accomplished the mission then.
    - jrm4 9mo ago
      The continued existence and general usability of one browser not owned and/or controlled by one of the huge kabillion dollar companies is an obvious example here.
wolvoleo 9mo ago
Look at how well they've been doing. They're just scraping by with a minimal and declining market share propped up by cash from their single biggest competitor. They're not fighting anything. They're being paid to be a weak antitrust excuse. I love Firefox and I use it all the time but this situation worries me deeply.
- jrm4 9mo ago
  Yeah, comments like this miss the boat entirely Again. THE SCALE OF MONEY. I get that its convenience for the other company, sure. But, like, what would you have them do? Explain what you guys would do better?
  - wolvoleo 9mo ago
    I don't understand what you mean by 'the scale of money'. The problem with 'free money' is that there's always strings attached. Right now Mozilla is listening toomuch to the ad industry. And trying to cozy up to them with the 'privacy preserving' attributes etc. What I would have them do is convert from a permanently declining corporation to a more volunteer-driven organisation. It's really when Mozilla started a corporation and started rubbing shoulders with all the big tech CEOs that things went wrong.
    - jrm4 9mo ago
      What I'm saying here is that it's utterly naive to expect Mozilla to remain "pure" given what it is up against. I think there's room for criticism like yours, but also seems like, big picture, a lot of anti-Mozilla stuff is perspective-free whining.

Ah yes, Mozilla, that organization that has no record whatsoever fighting companies with the highest ever investment numbers; like who do they think they are?

by jrm4 9mo ago

Ah yes, Mozilla, that organization that has no record whatsoever fighting companies with the highest ever investment numbers; like who do they think they are?

ddtaylor 9mo ago

The Mozilla of 2002 is vastly different than the Mozilla of recent.

jrm4 9mo ago
Yeah, so is the internet. So what?
- ddtaylor 9mo ago
  The old Mozilla was born from the ashes of Netscape and was an open source powerhouse. The new Mozilla does pathetic cash grabs and tries and fails to operate as a business.

tokai 9mo ago

Name one Mozilla project that beat its corporate competition.

jrm4 9mo ago
It doesn't have to beat it to "be winning" for purposes of "accomplishing the mission." This is exactly as goofy as saying "Linux is only 3% of the desktop therefore it is a loser."
- tokai 9mo ago
  Name one that accomplished the mission then.
  - jrm4 9mo ago
    The continued existence and general usability of one browser not owned and/or controlled by one of the huge kabillion dollar companies is an obvious example here.

wolvoleo 9mo ago

Look at how well they've been doing. They're just scraping by with a minimal and declining market share propped up by cash from their single biggest competitor. They're not fighting anything. They're being paid to be a weak antitrust excuse. I love Firefox and I use it all the time but this situation worries me deeply.

jrm4 9mo ago
Yeah, comments like this miss the boat entirely Again. THE SCALE OF MONEY. I get that its convenience for the other company, sure. But, like, what would you have them do? Explain what you guys would do better?
- wolvoleo 9mo ago
  I don't understand what you mean by 'the scale of money'. The problem with 'free money' is that there's always strings attached. Right now Mozilla is listening toomuch to the ad industry. And trying to cozy up to them with the 'privacy preserving' attributes etc. What I would have them do is convert from a permanently declining corporation to a more volunteer-driven organisation. It's really when Mozilla started a corporation and started rubbing shoulders with all the big tech CEOs that things went wrong.
  - jrm4 9mo ago
    What I'm saying here is that it's utterly naive to expect Mozilla to remain "pure" given what it is up against. I think there's room for criticism like yours, but also seems like, big picture, a lot of anti-Mozilla stuff is perspective-free whining.