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That save icon. In 2012. Why?

by guywithabike 14y ago

cleverjake 14y ago
because it has been the save icon for 30 years and no one has thought of a better one.
- redact207 14y ago
  I'm not sure it's because "no one has thought of a better one", but perhaps more that it's become the de-facto thanks to its almost universal use in software. I can't see how this could ever easily change.
  - cleverjake 14y ago
    Isn't it the universal standard because there isn't something better? I agree though, there isn't a obvious replacement.
arrrg 14y ago
Why not? That symbol has been consistently used as a save icon for decades now. A lot of people know what it means. I doubt you will be able to find a save icon that works better. I see no point in fighting it. It will fall out of use soon enough anyway (when automatic saving finds more widespread adoption). If you think about, it works pretty well exactly because no one is using those disks anymore. No one would think that this icon saves something on an actual 3.5″ disk, it’s the concept of saving that’s meant with this icon. Using a HDD icon or an SSD icon (i.e. going the naive update route) would only be potentially confusing. Those icons were and are commonly used to access the file system (and are consequently more likely to be thought of as representing opening something, not saving something). I think there is a case to be made for sticking with older (but nevertheless in pop culture widespread and formerly popular) symbols. Take the old fashioned telephone receiver on the icon of the phone app of the iPhone. Why not update that and stick a modern phone receiver on there – you know, a smartphone! Let’s stick an iPhone on there! I think it’s pretty obvious that that would be a bad idea.
pavlov 14y ago
IMHO the floppy disk works better as an icon today than it did 10 years ago. When computers still had an actual floppy drive, it was potentially confusing that you'd click on the floppy icon to save to storage that 99.9% of the time would be the hard disk rather than a floppy. Today the floppy doesn't represent a physical object anymore. It is literally an icon, a picture that stands for something on its own. Compare with the pen and eraser icons: there is no physical paper on which to write (or erase) on a computer. In fact one of the primary goals of personal computing has been to rid us of pen and paper. This has not been reached yet, but maybe the day will come when a pen is as foreign to young people as the floppy is today... But I suspect that this stylized image of a pen will be still around then, with its iconing meaning ("Touch here to edit") only reinforced by the disappearance of the physical pen.
gulbrandr 14y ago
Sure, but which one do you want to use instead?
- esusatyo 14y ago
  Well if you ask Apple or Google they'll just say remove the icon completely. Autosave it. That's what happens in Google Docs and iOS + OS X. It's crazy that we have all this hard drive space and processing power and yet if you forgot to save and the power's out you can lose hours of work. Won't happen to any of Hackernews readers, but probably have bitten my less tech savy friends and family a few times.

That save icon. In 2012. Why?

cleverjake 14y ago

because it has been the save icon for 30 years and no one has thought of a better one.

redact207 14y ago
I'm not sure it's because "no one has thought of a better one", but perhaps more that it's become the de-facto thanks to its almost universal use in software. I can't see how this could ever easily change.
- cleverjake 14y ago
  Isn't it the universal standard because there isn't something better? I agree though, there isn't a obvious replacement.

arrrg 14y ago

Why not? That symbol has been consistently used as a save icon for decades now. A lot of people know what it means. I doubt you will be able to find a save icon that works better. I see no point in fighting it. It will fall out of use soon enough anyway (when automatic saving finds more widespread adoption). If you think about, it works pretty well exactly because no one is using those disks anymore. No one would think that this icon saves something on an actual 3.5″ disk, it’s the concept of saving that’s meant with this icon. Using a HDD icon or an SSD icon (i.e. going the naive update route) would only be potentially confusing. Those icons were and are commonly used to access the file system (and are consequently more likely to be thought of as representing opening something, not saving something). I think there is a case to be made for sticking with older (but nevertheless in pop culture widespread and formerly popular) symbols. Take the old fashioned telephone receiver on the icon of the phone app of the iPhone. Why not update that and stick a modern phone receiver on there – you know, a smartphone! Let’s stick an iPhone on there! I think it’s pretty obvious that that would be a bad idea.

pavlov 14y ago

IMHO the floppy disk works better as an icon today than it did 10 years ago. When computers still had an actual floppy drive, it was potentially confusing that you'd click on the floppy icon to save to storage that 99.9% of the time would be the hard disk rather than a floppy. Today the floppy doesn't represent a physical object anymore. It is literally an icon, a picture that stands for something on its own. Compare with the pen and eraser icons: there is no physical paper on which to write (or erase) on a computer. In fact one of the primary goals of personal computing has been to rid us of pen and paper. This has not been reached yet, but maybe the day will come when a pen is as foreign to young people as the floppy is today... But I suspect that this stylized image of a pen will be still around then, with its iconing meaning ("Touch here to edit") only reinforced by the disappearance of the physical pen.

gulbrandr 14y ago

Sure, but which one do you want to use instead?

esusatyo 14y ago
Well if you ask Apple or Google they'll just say remove the icon completely. Autosave it. That's what happens in Google Docs and iOS + OS X. It's crazy that we have all this hard drive space and processing power and yet if you forgot to save and the power's out you can lose hours of work. Won't happen to any of Hackernews readers, but probably have bitten my less tech savy friends and family a few times.