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The Elizabeth Line was unbelievably expensive to build; that's how the UK did it.

TuringNYC 9mo ago
>> The Elizabeth Line was unbelievably expensive to build; that's how the UK did it. Fair. But what is also expensive is every single citizen taking $100 Uber rides to the airport, like in NYC. In NJ, the transit service has become so volatile and sporadic and opaque that people have reduced NJTransit use for Newark airport in favor of simply driving.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  That cost doesn't show up on government books, so we can pretend it doesn't exist. The joys of decentral planning.
  - philipallstar 9mo ago
    We don't have to pretend it doesn't exist. It actually doesn't cost the taxpayer anything.
- matt-p 9mo ago
  Wrong, $100 Uber rides boost employment and the economy! (Just ignore the impacts of congestion, wasted time, road spending)
- badc0ffee 9mo ago
  > But what is also expensive is every single citizen taking $100 Uber rides to the airport, like in NYC. Last time I went to NYC I took the AirTrain to Jamaica station and then an express train to Penn. it took like 35 minutes total.
chpatrick 9mo ago
It's a massive investment in the areas near its stations.
- philipallstar 9mo ago
  Yes national money once again mostly being spent in London. Coincidentally where these decisions are made.
  - chpatrick 9mo ago
    The whole section from Reading to Iver is outside London. Also 20% of the UK lives around London so it makes total sense to invest in the area.
flurdy 9mo ago
But it is also really good. I love the completely enclosed platforms, ie shielded from the track and train by a glass wall/doors, like the Jubilee line, but all the way to the ceiling. This makes it both safe and very quiet. Though the platforms are huge, as the trains are long, you have to really make a conscious decision on which exit to use as they come up very far from each other. Unlike other tube stations, where if you don't pick the most optimal exit, you just have to cross the road.

>> The Elizabeth Line was unbelievably expensive to build; that's how the UK did it. Fair. But what is also expensive is every single citizen taking $100 Uber rides to the airport, like in NYC. In NJ, the transit service has become so volatile and sporadic and opaque that people have reduced NJTransit use for Newark airport in favor of simply driving.

direwolf20 9mo ago
That cost doesn't show up on government books, so we can pretend it doesn't exist. The joys of decentral planning.
- philipallstar 9mo ago
  We don't have to pretend it doesn't exist. It actually doesn't cost the taxpayer anything.
matt-p 9mo ago
Wrong, $100 Uber rides boost employment and the economy! (Just ignore the impacts of congestion, wasted time, road spending)
badc0ffee 9mo ago
> But what is also expensive is every single citizen taking $100 Uber rides to the airport, like in NYC. Last time I went to NYC I took the AirTrain to Jamaica station and then an express train to Penn. it took like 35 minutes total.

chpatrick 9mo ago

It's a massive investment in the areas near its stations.

philipallstar 9mo ago
Yes national money once again mostly being spent in London. Coincidentally where these decisions are made.
- chpatrick 9mo ago
  The whole section from Reading to Iver is outside London. Also 20% of the UK lives around London so it makes total sense to invest in the area.

flurdy 9mo ago

But it is also really good. I love the completely enclosed platforms, ie shielded from the track and train by a glass wall/doors, like the Jubilee line, but all the way to the ceiling. This makes it both safe and very quiet. Though the platforms are huge, as the trains are long, you have to really make a conscious decision on which exit to use as they come up very far from each other. Unlike other tube stations, where if you don't pick the most optimal exit, you just have to cross the road.