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It’s reductio ad absurdum to make a point. But you could argue that income from Patreon forms part/all of a creator’s salary. I don’t agree that this is an App

It’s reductio ad absurdum to make a point. But you could argue that income from Patreon forms part/all of a creator’s salary. I don’t agree that this is an Apple hating thread. Its commentary on a pretty despicable action that Apple is taking.

piekvorst 8mo ago
“Despicable” is by an order of magnitude softer word compared to “Apple can legally take your salary” Sure, Apple is greedy. But it doesn’t deserve what is usually assumed: legal persecution.
willtemperley 8mo ago
> It’s reductio ad absurdum It's not, it's just factually wrong. If Apple can legally claim 30% of your salary then a doctor using an iPad to demonstrate results of a scan to a patient has to pay Apple 30% of their consultation fee. That's reductio ad absurdum. Lol.
- spacebanana7 8mo ago
  > If Apple can legally claim 30% of your salary then a doctor using an iPad to demonstrate results of a scan to a patient has to pay Apple 30% of their consultation fee. Apple could absolutely do this. They could say that professional medical use of macOS requires a commercial license, and the price of that commercial licence could be linked to revenue. Doctors - or rather their hospital IT/procurement departments - would be held to the terms of service they agree to. Far more rigorously than ordinary consumers.
  - willtemperley 8mo ago
    If that were legally enforcable, which is almost certainly not the case, Microsoft and Google could do the same, making your argument moot in this context.
    - spacebanana7 8mo ago
      Every software company can do this. Oracle Java is free for personal use but if you use it in prod you have to pay a licence based on the number of employees in your company. Epic games takes 5% of your revenue above a million if you use unreal for a game. Docker desktop requires a paid license if you have over 250 employees or $10 million in revenue.
      - willtemperley 8mo ago
        Let's continue with the reductio ad absurdum - a taxi driver uses their iPhone to navigate. Can Apple take 30% of their revenue?
        spacebanana7 8mo ago
        Absolutely, if the taxi driver signs a contract / agrees to terms of service. What law prohibits them from charging that? This is why open source is so important.
    - bigDinosaur 8mo ago
      What would make this legally unenforceable?
    - g947o 8mo ago
      Heard of the word "contract"?

piekvorst 8mo ago

“Despicable” is by an order of magnitude softer word compared to “Apple can legally take your salary” Sure, Apple is greedy. But it doesn’t deserve what is usually assumed: legal persecution.

willtemperley 8mo ago

> It’s reductio ad absurdum It's not, it's just factually wrong. If Apple can legally claim 30% of your salary then a doctor using an iPad to demonstrate results of a scan to a patient has to pay Apple 30% of their consultation fee. That's reductio ad absurdum. Lol.

spacebanana7 8mo ago
> If Apple can legally claim 30% of your salary then a doctor using an iPad to demonstrate results of a scan to a patient has to pay Apple 30% of their consultation fee. Apple could absolutely do this. They could say that professional medical use of macOS requires a commercial license, and the price of that commercial licence could be linked to revenue. Doctors - or rather their hospital IT/procurement departments - would be held to the terms of service they agree to. Far more rigorously than ordinary consumers.
- willtemperley 8mo ago
  If that were legally enforcable, which is almost certainly not the case, Microsoft and Google could do the same, making your argument moot in this context.
  - spacebanana7 8mo ago
    Every software company can do this. Oracle Java is free for personal use but if you use it in prod you have to pay a licence based on the number of employees in your company. Epic games takes 5% of your revenue above a million if you use unreal for a game. Docker desktop requires a paid license if you have over 250 employees or $10 million in revenue.
    - willtemperley 8mo ago
      Let's continue with the reductio ad absurdum - a taxi driver uses their iPhone to navigate. Can Apple take 30% of their revenue?
      - spacebanana7 8mo ago
        Absolutely, if the taxi driver signs a contract / agrees to terms of service. What law prohibits them from charging that? This is why open source is so important.
  - bigDinosaur 8mo ago
    What would make this legally unenforceable?
  - g947o 8mo ago
    Heard of the word "contract"?