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From reading your HN comments, you seem like the kind of person who has a small axiomatic set of principles, and then attempts to fit the world to those princip
by defen 14y ago
From reading your HN comments, you seem like the kind of person who has a small axiomatic set of principles, and then attempts to fit the world to those principles. Without going into the merits/demerits of that approach, I'd at least like to point out that it occasionally leads to absurd conclusions - such as replacing language courses with Google translate. Do you really think that Google translate is a feasible way to converse with someone in a foreign language? Or, for translating literature? Here is the opening paragraph of War and Peace, computer translation vs human. Note that Google translate assumed the whole thing was French, and left the Russian parts untranslated, so I had to manually translate the Russian words. Italics represent words originally in Russian.
Google translate:
Еh, my prince. Genoa and Lucca are only appendages of, the manor, Buonaparte family. No, I warn you that if you do not tell me that we have war, even if you allow yourself to overcome all infamies, all the atrocities of this Antichrist (my word, I think) - I do you know more, you are no longer my friend, you are no longer my faithful servant, as you say. Ну, hello, hello. I see that I frighten you, sit down and talk.
Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky translation:
Well, my prince, Genoa and Lucca are now no more than possessions, estates, of the Buonaparte family. No, I warn you, if you do not tell me we are at war, if you still allow yourself to palliate all the infamies, all the atrocities of that Antichrist (upon my word, I believe it) - I no longer know you, you are no longer my friend, you are no longer my faithful slave, as you say. Well, good evening, good evening. I see that I'm frightening you, sit down and tell me about it
- marshallp 14y agoIs it the responsibility of the taxpayer to fund the education for the leisure activity of the upper middle classes (speaking with foreigners or reading translated literature). The education system that exists today (k12 + college) is a McReplica of what aristocratic people of earlier centuries considered fit for their children (who would never actually need to work). We're living the enviousness of the middle classes of a century ago (this same principle applies to the McMansions). It has no relation to what a more perfected reality could be. With respect to google translate, I think we'll see a lot of improvements. I expect to see human level performance within 5 years (it's a "let the computers run long enough" + "enough data" problem).
- defen 14y agoWhat about countries where English is not the native tongue? Surely learning it can have huge advantages.
- marshallp 14y agoYeah, I totally agree, in non-english speaking countries it's completely justifiable (until human-level language translation comes around).
- sopooneo 14y agoOthers often claim that the current public education system is a direct descendant of a system set up specifically to create docile factory workers.