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Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate thi

by nout 8mo ago

Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

mattnewton 8mo ago
there is little other remedy to monopoly power?
pessimizer 8mo ago
I want them to use antitrust regulation against everyone, including me. That's what having values is like. Markets without competition degenerate. Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair.
- bigstrat2003 8mo ago
  > Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. Historically, markets are destroyed by government interference, not propped up by it. Your own example is a case in point: were it not for the government making laws in favor of entrenched companies, Apple couldn't sue the people trying to get around its market manipulation. > You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair. This is a grossly unfair mischaracterization of the post you are replying to. Bad show, old chap.
  - cyberax 8mo ago
    Apple doesn't _need_ to sue people. They can just stop distributing their apps. That's it. No "government monopoly" or anything, just regular commercial monopolism.
leptons 8mo ago
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl?inline https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl?inline Apple is already getting sued by the DOJ for their abusive business practices. They should be regulated.
cephi 8mo ago
I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?
- weberer 8mo ago
  Use Android
  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    That's only a solution until Google does the same. And then we're stuck. What do we do when the two largest phone platforms perform this stuff? Go off the grid instead of talking to our representatives?
    - nout 8mo ago
      What about web app? Or desktop?
  - anonymous908213 8mo ago
    Android is actively in the process of trying to kill off the ability to install your own software that is not Google-approved, so this is temporary solution at best.
    - johnisgood 8mo ago
      Well, since everything seems to be getting worse, lots of good stuff are a temporary solution. Kinda sucks.
  - socalgal2 8mo ago
    That is the user's solution. Patreon (the company having trouble with Apple) is not in the position to get ~50% of it's users to use a different phone. Apple should not be allowed to be in the middle of business and half the users of the world. And yes, that is very much something that governments have regulated for decades. In fact it's basically why anti-trust was invented. Train companies and deals with Standard Oil meant together they controlled the market since if you didn't go through them you couldn't ship your product.
johnnyanmac 8mo ago
>Why would you want to give the government such power? Because the government is the only body equipped to create and enforce consumer rights laws. Do you think we'd have refund policies if the government didn't regulate them? >then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you. Okay. How is the act of forbidding platforms from banning alternative payment processors going to backfire?
shimman 8mo ago
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by nout 8mo ago

mattnewton 8mo ago

there is little other remedy to monopoly power?

pessimizer 8mo ago

I want them to use antitrust regulation against everyone, including me. That's what having values is like. Markets without competition degenerate. Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair.

bigstrat2003 8mo ago
> Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. Historically, markets are destroyed by government interference, not propped up by it. Your own example is a case in point: were it not for the government making laws in favor of entrenched companies, Apple couldn't sue the people trying to get around its market manipulation. > You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair. This is a grossly unfair mischaracterization of the post you are replying to. Bad show, old chap.
- cyberax 8mo ago
  Apple doesn't _need_ to sue people. They can just stop distributing their apps. That's it. No "government monopoly" or anything, just regular commercial monopolism.

leptons 8mo ago

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl?inline https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl?inline Apple is already getting sued by the DOJ for their abusive business practices. They should be regulated.

cephi 8mo ago

I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?

weberer 8mo ago
Use Android
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  That's only a solution until Google does the same. And then we're stuck. What do we do when the two largest phone platforms perform this stuff? Go off the grid instead of talking to our representatives?
  - nout 8mo ago
    What about web app? Or desktop?
- anonymous908213 8mo ago
  Android is actively in the process of trying to kill off the ability to install your own software that is not Google-approved, so this is temporary solution at best.
  - johnisgood 8mo ago
    Well, since everything seems to be getting worse, lots of good stuff are a temporary solution. Kinda sucks.
- socalgal2 8mo ago
  That is the user's solution. Patreon (the company having trouble with Apple) is not in the position to get ~50% of it's users to use a different phone. Apple should not be allowed to be in the middle of business and half the users of the world. And yes, that is very much something that governments have regulated for decades. In fact it's basically why anti-trust was invented. Train companies and deals with Standard Oil meant together they controlled the market since if you didn't go through them you couldn't ship your product.

johnnyanmac 8mo ago

>Why would you want to give the government such power? Because the government is the only body equipped to create and enforce consumer rights laws. Do you think we'd have refund policies if the government didn't regulate them? >then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you. Okay. How is the act of forbidding platforms from banning alternative payment processors going to backfire?

shimman 8mo ago

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