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What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

by hiprob 8mo ago

esseph 8mo ago
GrapheneOS
- tasty_freeze 8mo ago
  It is more clunky and less polished than android. On the other hand, it is far more secure. I was a user of android for 15+ years, and I had been using a pixel 4a when the battery issue came up last year. Google handled that so terribly I bought a used pixel 7a and installed Graphene. Installation is quite easy. The lack of native voice-to-text was a pain; I installed a 3rd party utility (FUTO) for that, but unlike the native one where it translates while you talk, FUTO waits for you to finish then translates everything. The messaging app is less integrated too. Android finally fixed things up with Apple such that emoji responses (heart, thumbs up, +1, etc) would appear as an annotation after the text message I sent, but now I'm back to getting "So and so likes your comment <full text of my comment>". Some of the other pain was because I have tried to cut down on other google properties. I use "here we go" for mapping instead of google maps. Due to the scale of things, the real time traffic updates on google maps is far better than on here we go. I use fastmail instead of gmail and I'm 100% happy with that solution.
tcoff91 8mo ago
launch an in-app browser and don't use apple as the payment processor. The Epic v Apple lawsuit verdict makes this allowed now.
- 1v1id 8mo ago
  My understanding was that you could have a button that could take the user outside of the app to pay (i.e. your website). So progress, but not this level of freedom yet.
teejmya 8mo ago
Yeah, lol. Was all Apple since the iBook G4. Bought a Pixel last week. It's nice.
shimman 8mo ago
Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.
- pixl97 8mo ago
  At the end of the day Apple is doing their damnedest to force the requirement to support other app stores. They want their cake, and they want to eat it too. Unfortunately they are going to make an epic fuckton of money before they get told to stop.
- nout 8mo ago
  Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.
  - mattnewton 8mo ago
    there is little other remedy to monopoly power?
  - pessimizer 8mo ago
    I want them to use antitrust regulation against everyone, including me. That's what having values is like. Markets without competition degenerate. Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair.
    - bigstrat2003 8mo ago
      > Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. Historically, markets are destroyed by government interference, not propped up by it. Your own example is a case in point: were it not for the government making laws in favor of entrenched companies, Apple couldn't sue the people trying to get around its market manipulation. > You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair. This is a grossly unfair mischaracterization of the post you are replying to. Bad show, old chap.
hermanzegerman 8mo ago
Google is also making Sideloading harder "to protect users"
Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago
Can we please just have cheap/affordable linux phones at this point. I am so close to having raspberry pi phones but even rasp pi 's are getting expensive because of AI dammit
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  What's the big barrier stopping Linux from becoming a viable mobile OS? Or at least some completely de-googlefied AOSP?
  - fragmede 8mo ago
    Hardware. Mass manufacturing, plus the deep pockets of a corporation, mean that we've come to expect cheap prices for inanely powerful hardware. Yes I'm calling an $1,800 iphone cheap for what you get. That's cheap for what you get because if you're a tiny company, you can't get a phone of that level manufactured that you can still for anywhere near that price, and that's a super high end model. How many people are going to shell out $1,000 for a model with the specs of a $500 model just because it runs Linux? And that's before you even actually deal with the software. Specifically, driver support, battery life, and app support are the three big show stoppers there. The best option this second is a Pixel running GrapheneOS, and that's based on Android on Goolge hardware. (They did just announce getting off Pixels tho.) A Linux smartphone has been tried before. That's not too say someone shouldn't try again, but just to say there are lessons to be learned from those attempts.
    - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
      Yeah, that makes sense on the hardware end. It's really hard to compete and even some large players like LG ultimately fell out because of that. But I was more speaking on the software end. You can certainly piss off Google if enough people decided to buy an android phone but have it boot up Linux instead. Might even piss off Samsung, so that's a plus. I assume the infrastructure to get APK support on Linux is a herculean task, though (that's the only way I see as a middleground until native linux apps work on mobile).
tootie 8mo ago
Use Android or use websites instead of apps. Apple pushes their app ecosystem so hard because it's their walled garden. If you want to support a creator, go their website and click whatever they offer.
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
  Walled garden is marketing speak. Its a walled prison
fblp 8mo ago
This is also a political issue. The administration could have ftc investigate this under anti-trust, and the government could also pass tighter laws preventing this. But this current administration is likely too friendly to big corporate interests.
hilti 8mo ago
Half of the apps on the app store can easily be replaced by a PWA that works on iOS and Android.
pjerem 8mo ago
Well. I own an iPhone, a Macbook, Airpods, Apple Watch. I'm in the Apple ecosystem since the last 16 years. Unfortunately, due to their behavior in the latest years, I'm not going to buy anything Apple anymore. Fortunately for me, I prefer Linux to MacOS so I never have been totally tied in the Apple ecosystem and I know how to leave the boat without a lot of hassle. I'm really saddened because they know how to make great products when they want to. It's just infuriating that everything that is shitty in their products is never due to randomness or bugs or whatever, but ALWAYS because they decided to fuck you.

What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

by hiprob 8mo ago

What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

esseph 8mo ago

GrapheneOS

tasty_freeze 8mo ago
It is more clunky and less polished than android. On the other hand, it is far more secure. I was a user of android for 15+ years, and I had been using a pixel 4a when the battery issue came up last year. Google handled that so terribly I bought a used pixel 7a and installed Graphene. Installation is quite easy. The lack of native voice-to-text was a pain; I installed a 3rd party utility (FUTO) for that, but unlike the native one where it translates while you talk, FUTO waits for you to finish then translates everything. The messaging app is less integrated too. Android finally fixed things up with Apple such that emoji responses (heart, thumbs up, +1, etc) would appear as an annotation after the text message I sent, but now I'm back to getting "So and so likes your comment <full text of my comment>". Some of the other pain was because I have tried to cut down on other google properties. I use "here we go" for mapping instead of google maps. Due to the scale of things, the real time traffic updates on google maps is far better than on here we go. I use fastmail instead of gmail and I'm 100% happy with that solution.

tcoff91 8mo ago

launch an in-app browser and don't use apple as the payment processor. The Epic v Apple lawsuit verdict makes this allowed now.

1v1id 8mo ago
My understanding was that you could have a button that could take the user outside of the app to pay (i.e. your website). So progress, but not this level of freedom yet.

teejmya 8mo ago

Yeah, lol. Was all Apple since the iBook G4. Bought a Pixel last week. It's nice.

shimman 8mo ago

Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.

pixl97 8mo ago
At the end of the day Apple is doing their damnedest to force the requirement to support other app stores. They want their cake, and they want to eat it too. Unfortunately they are going to make an epic fuckton of money before they get told to stop.
nout 8mo ago
Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.
- mattnewton 8mo ago
  there is little other remedy to monopoly power?
- pessimizer 8mo ago
  I want them to use antitrust regulation against everyone, including me. That's what having values is like. Markets without competition degenerate. Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair.
  - bigstrat2003 8mo ago
    > Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. Historically, markets are destroyed by government interference, not propped up by it. Your own example is a case in point: were it not for the government making laws in favor of entrenched companies, Apple couldn't sue the people trying to get around its market manipulation. > You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair. This is a grossly unfair mischaracterization of the post you are replying to. Bad show, old chap.

hermanzegerman 8mo ago

Google is also making Sideloading harder "to protect users"

Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago

Can we please just have cheap/affordable linux phones at this point. I am so close to having raspberry pi phones but even rasp pi 's are getting expensive because of AI dammit

johnnyanmac 8mo ago
What's the big barrier stopping Linux from becoming a viable mobile OS? Or at least some completely de-googlefied AOSP?
- fragmede 8mo ago
  Hardware. Mass manufacturing, plus the deep pockets of a corporation, mean that we've come to expect cheap prices for inanely powerful hardware. Yes I'm calling an $1,800 iphone cheap for what you get. That's cheap for what you get because if you're a tiny company, you can't get a phone of that level manufactured that you can still for anywhere near that price, and that's a super high end model. How many people are going to shell out $1,000 for a model with the specs of a $500 model just because it runs Linux? And that's before you even actually deal with the software. Specifically, driver support, battery life, and app support are the three big show stoppers there. The best option this second is a Pixel running GrapheneOS, and that's based on Android on Goolge hardware. (They did just announce getting off Pixels tho.) A Linux smartphone has been tried before. That's not too say someone shouldn't try again, but just to say there are lessons to be learned from those attempts.
  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    Yeah, that makes sense on the hardware end. It's really hard to compete and even some large players like LG ultimately fell out because of that. But I was more speaking on the software end. You can certainly piss off Google if enough people decided to buy an android phone but have it boot up Linux instead. Might even piss off Samsung, so that's a plus. I assume the infrastructure to get APK support on Linux is a herculean task, though (that's the only way I see as a middleground until native linux apps work on mobile).

tootie 8mo ago

Use Android or use websites instead of apps. Apple pushes their app ecosystem so hard because it's their walled garden. If you want to support a creator, go their website and click whatever they offer.

PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
Walled garden is marketing speak. Its a walled prison

fblp 8mo ago

This is also a political issue. The administration could have ftc investigate this under anti-trust, and the government could also pass tighter laws preventing this. But this current administration is likely too friendly to big corporate interests.

hilti 8mo ago

Half of the apps on the app store can easily be replaced by a PWA that works on iOS and Android.

pjerem 8mo ago

Well. I own an iPhone, a Macbook, Airpods, Apple Watch. I'm in the Apple ecosystem since the last 16 years. Unfortunately, due to their behavior in the latest years, I'm not going to buy anything Apple anymore. Fortunately for me, I prefer Linux to MacOS so I never have been totally tied in the Apple ecosystem and I know how to leave the boat without a lot of hassle. I'm really saddened because they know how to make great products when they want to. It's just infuriating that everything that is shitty in their products is never due to randomness or bugs or whatever, but ALWAYS because they decided to fuck you.