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>many apps now just use CSD If there's something I hate about Linux, it's CSD (Client-Side Decorations, in case people don't know what it is). If I wanted all

by reddalo 9mo ago

>many apps now just use CSD If there's something I hate about Linux, it's CSD (Client-Side Decorations, in case people don't know what it is). If I wanted all my apps to look different from each other, I'd use macOS. I want a clean desktop environment, with predictable window frames that are customizable and they all look the same. CSD destroys that.

BizarroLand 9mo ago
Conversely, I don't want all of my apps to look identical to each other. I want to be able to tell with a submoment of a glance what app I am working on or looking for without having to cognitively engage to locate it, breaking my state of flow in the process.
- int_19h 9mo ago
  That's what the title bar is for?
- uKVZe85V 9mo ago
  You're defeating your own point. CSD in practice breaks a basic feature of the desktop : knowing at first glance which of the windows will receive whatever you type on the keyboard. For eons the standard was: the only one with the title bar showing the theme accent color. That is consistent, predictable, keeps the user in the flow. With CSD each app does whatever inconsistent thing they can fancy. You type and oops deleted something in the wrong window. Alas now even many default SSD setups fail at this (selected and non-selected windows look pretty much the same) and keyboard-first workflow is much hindered.
noisem4ker 9mo ago
Linux doesn't mean GNOME. KDE favors server-side decorations.
- reddalo 9mo ago
  I know, in fact I'm using Linux Mint. The problem is that sometimes you need to use a GNOME app that looks completely out of place.
conorbergin 9mo ago
Having no CSD at all is unacceptable on small screens IMHO, far too much real estate is taken up by a title bar, you can be competitive with SSD by making them really thin, but then they are harder to click on and impossible with touch input. At the moment I have firefox setup with CSD and vertical tabs, only 7% of my vertical real estate is taken up by bars (inc. Gnome), which is pretty good for something that supports this many niceties.
Orygin 9mo ago
I mean, most apps I use daily, no matter the OS, have CSD. Teams, Spotify, Slack, Firefox, Postman, IntelliJ etc... Doesn't matter which OS they all have different styles. I can understand it's not liked by everyone, but that ship has sailed and no "big" app will use SSD anymore.

by reddalo 9mo ago

BizarroLand 9mo ago

Conversely, I don't want all of my apps to look identical to each other. I want to be able to tell with a submoment of a glance what app I am working on or looking for without having to cognitively engage to locate it, breaking my state of flow in the process.

int_19h 9mo ago
That's what the title bar is for?
uKVZe85V 9mo ago
You're defeating your own point. CSD in practice breaks a basic feature of the desktop : knowing at first glance which of the windows will receive whatever you type on the keyboard. For eons the standard was: the only one with the title bar showing the theme accent color. That is consistent, predictable, keeps the user in the flow. With CSD each app does whatever inconsistent thing they can fancy. You type and oops deleted something in the wrong window. Alas now even many default SSD setups fail at this (selected and non-selected windows look pretty much the same) and keyboard-first workflow is much hindered.

noisem4ker 9mo ago

Linux doesn't mean GNOME. KDE favors server-side decorations.

reddalo 9mo ago
I know, in fact I'm using Linux Mint. The problem is that sometimes you need to use a GNOME app that looks completely out of place.

conorbergin 9mo ago

Having no CSD at all is unacceptable on small screens IMHO, far too much real estate is taken up by a title bar, you can be competitive with SSD by making them really thin, but then they are harder to click on and impossible with touch input. At the moment I have firefox setup with CSD and vertical tabs, only 7% of my vertical real estate is taken up by bars (inc. Gnome), which is pretty good for something that supports this many niceties.

Orygin 9mo ago

I mean, most apps I use daily, no matter the OS, have CSD. Teams, Spotify, Slack, Firefox, Postman, IntelliJ etc... Doesn't matter which OS they all have different styles. I can understand it's not liked by everyone, but that ship has sailed and no "big" app will use SSD anymore.