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It's unfortunate but at the same time if enough people switch to Linux then they'll be forced to change their ways. So if you can go without those games or don

It's unfortunate but at the same time if enough people switch to Linux then they'll be forced to change their ways. So if you can go without those games or don't play MMOs that is rootkits then switch to force their hand. Besides, them installing a rootkit on your machine is not an acceptable practice anyways. It's a major security issue. Sometimes we need to make a stand. Everyone has a line, where's yours?

ectospheno 9mo ago
I switched to console gaming years ago. I can still play any major release while having whatever OS I want on my computers.
- Gracana 9mo ago
  I did this and was happily Windows-less for quite a few years. I ended up building a PC with a big GPU and so I switched back to PC gaming with a Windows installation alongside Linux, but I still think the console route is a great option.
  - int_19h 9mo ago
    At this point, I think quite a few people are basically treating their Windows desktop as a console.
    - Gracana 9mo ago
      I'll have to remember that one, that's a good way to put it.
seanw444 9mo ago
But standing on principle is too hard!
abustamam 9mo ago
This is true in principle but most gamers are just gonna take the path of least resistance. If they can't play fortnite on Linux (I'm using an example, I don't know if it's actually unplayable on Linux) then they will use whatever OS lets them play. People have been saying "vote with your wallet" every time gaming companies do something anti consumer like day one dlc or buggy releases (don't pre-order!) or $90 games, but gaming companies continue to push the envelope on what gamers will pay for because gamers keep paying for it. It's a sad reality.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  Take a step back. Why do people want to play Fortnite so much and not anything else?
  - jsheard 9mo ago
    Because their friends play Fortnite, for example? Multiplayer is often social, so "just play something else" turns into "just get new friends".
    - godelski 9mo ago
      There's another way. Only a small portion of friends need to change to pull the rest of the group. Pull them to a game that runs on Linux. Don't do it like "let's play this game because it runs on Linux" do it like "let's play this game because it's fun". If you want to be the one to lead this change you have to do extra work. Dual boot Linux and find a game that's fun that you can do online. Find the other friend or two in your group that will do the same (at least play the game, Linux is optional but encouraged for this subset). Just play together for a bit, give it a trial run. Then when playing the other game with the larger group say "hey, so and so and I have been playing this game, you guys should play with us sometime". They don't have to install Linux, just play a new game that their friends are already playing. That's why they're there, to play games with their friends. Don't try to get them to switch to Linux, just play games with your friends. You might have a holdout but if most people move then everyone will. But if you want to do that move you have to find what works and at least one other friend to give it a trial (who won't need to do as much work as you). That's how you do it. No crazy scheme and honestly not massive amounts of work either. Just the normal process of finding new games to play with one constraint. It just seems complicated because I stated the process explicitly.
phr4ts 9mo ago
>It's unfortunate but at the same time if enough people switch to Linux then they'll be forced to change their ways. Nope. Not Nadella. He'll kill windows in a heartbeat.
Macha 9mo ago
MMOs are actually fine. WoW, FFXIV, RuneScape, all work great on Linux. They’re not really games that rely on hidden information, are not pvp first and need to simulate stuff on the server anyway, so can verify moves are valid there. It’s the competitive progression shooters and ranked esports games that go in for the restrictive anti-cheat
- nhhvhy 9mo ago
  Even within competitive shooters there’s still plenty that run great on Linux. 90% of my time spent gaming is on Overwatch or CS2, and I’ve found that both ran significantly better on my Debian 13 installation than they ever did on Win11.
  - godelski 9mo ago
    And it's worth noting that CS2 is still the most played game on Steam. It has double the players of the second most played game, Dota 2, which also works on Linux. And that has double the player base of the number 3 game, Arc Raiders, which also works great on Linux. The idea that you'll be missing out is ill founded. Yes, there are some games that won't work. PUBG, Bongo Cat, Rust[0], and EA Sports FC 26 are the ones on the top 10 multiplayer list. But it's also not like you don't have plenty of massively popular games to choose from. I'll even say don't switch to Linux, just stop playing these abusive games. Honestly, if you're unwilling to change OSes but willing to do this then people that want to jump ship can. We all win from this behavior. Even you as it discourages Windows from shoving in more junk and discourages publishers like EA from shoving in massive security vulnerabilities like rootkits. I mean we've all seen how glitchy many AAA games are, you really think their other software isn't going to be just as unpolished and bug ridden? [0] Apparently works with Linux servers? https://www.protondb.com/app/252490 https://www.protondb.com/app/252490 P.S. If anyone wants to check for yourself: - Steam Multiplayer by rankings: https://steamdb.info/charts/?tagid=3859 - Proton Support: https://www.protondb.com/
johnnyanmac 9mo ago
>Sometimes we need to make a stand. Everyone has a line, where's yours? I just don't really play multiplayer to begin with. So I was never on the spectrum. But tens of millions are. They won't even be aware of what's happening. That's why this remains.

ectospheno 9mo ago

I switched to console gaming years ago. I can still play any major release while having whatever OS I want on my computers.

Gracana 9mo ago
I did this and was happily Windows-less for quite a few years. I ended up building a PC with a big GPU and so I switched back to PC gaming with a Windows installation alongside Linux, but I still think the console route is a great option.
- int_19h 9mo ago
  At this point, I think quite a few people are basically treating their Windows desktop as a console.
  - Gracana 9mo ago
    I'll have to remember that one, that's a good way to put it.

seanw444 9mo ago

But standing on principle is too hard!

abustamam 9mo ago

This is true in principle but most gamers are just gonna take the path of least resistance. If they can't play fortnite on Linux (I'm using an example, I don't know if it's actually unplayable on Linux) then they will use whatever OS lets them play. People have been saying "vote with your wallet" every time gaming companies do something anti consumer like day one dlc or buggy releases (don't pre-order!) or $90 games, but gaming companies continue to push the envelope on what gamers will pay for because gamers keep paying for it. It's a sad reality.

direwolf20 9mo ago
Take a step back. Why do people want to play Fortnite so much and not anything else?
- jsheard 9mo ago
  Because their friends play Fortnite, for example? Multiplayer is often social, so "just play something else" turns into "just get new friends".
  - godelski 9mo ago
    There's another way. Only a small portion of friends need to change to pull the rest of the group. Pull them to a game that runs on Linux. Don't do it like "let's play this game because it runs on Linux" do it like "let's play this game because it's fun". If you want to be the one to lead this change you have to do extra work. Dual boot Linux and find a game that's fun that you can do online. Find the other friend or two in your group that will do the same (at least play the game, Linux is optional but encouraged for this subset). Just play together for a bit, give it a trial run. Then when playing the other game with the larger group say "hey, so and so and I have been playing this game, you guys should play with us sometime". They don't have to install Linux, just play a new game that their friends are already playing. That's why they're there, to play games with their friends. Don't try to get them to switch to Linux, just play games with your friends. You might have a holdout but if most people move then everyone will. But if you want to do that move you have to find what works and at least one other friend to give it a trial (who won't need to do as much work as you). That's how you do it. No crazy scheme and honestly not massive amounts of work either. Just the normal process of finding new games to play with one constraint. It just seems complicated because I stated the process explicitly.

phr4ts 9mo ago

>It's unfortunate but at the same time if enough people switch to Linux then they'll be forced to change their ways. Nope. Not Nadella. He'll kill windows in a heartbeat.

Macha 9mo ago

MMOs are actually fine. WoW, FFXIV, RuneScape, all work great on Linux. They’re not really games that rely on hidden information, are not pvp first and need to simulate stuff on the server anyway, so can verify moves are valid there. It’s the competitive progression shooters and ranked esports games that go in for the restrictive anti-cheat

nhhvhy 9mo ago
Even within competitive shooters there’s still plenty that run great on Linux. 90% of my time spent gaming is on Overwatch or CS2, and I’ve found that both ran significantly better on my Debian 13 installation than they ever did on Win11.
- godelski 9mo ago
  And it's worth noting that CS2 is still the most played game on Steam. It has double the players of the second most played game, Dota 2, which also works on Linux. And that has double the player base of the number 3 game, Arc Raiders, which also works great on Linux. The idea that you'll be missing out is ill founded. Yes, there are some games that won't work. PUBG, Bongo Cat, Rust[0], and EA Sports FC 26 are the ones on the top 10 multiplayer list. But it's also not like you don't have plenty of massively popular games to choose from. I'll even say don't switch to Linux, just stop playing these abusive games. Honestly, if you're unwilling to change OSes but willing to do this then people that want to jump ship can. We all win from this behavior. Even you as it discourages Windows from shoving in more junk and discourages publishers like EA from shoving in massive security vulnerabilities like rootkits. I mean we've all seen how glitchy many AAA games are, you really think their other software isn't going to be just as unpolished and bug ridden? [0] Apparently works with Linux servers? https://www.protondb.com/app/252490 https://www.protondb.com/app/252490 P.S. If anyone wants to check for yourself: - Steam Multiplayer by rankings: https://steamdb.info/charts/?tagid=3859 - Proton Support: https://www.protondb.com/

johnnyanmac 9mo ago

>Sometimes we need to make a stand. Everyone has a line, where's yours? I just don't really play multiplayer to begin with. So I was never on the spectrum. But tens of millions are. They won't even be aware of what's happening. That's why this remains.