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Dollar is losing value by the day, gold and silver on record high and somehow this is not an indicator for huge uncertainty? China is beating the US on pretty

Dollar is losing value by the day, gold and silver on record high and somehow this is not an indicator for huge uncertainty? China is beating the US on pretty much every stage and this only accelerates this.

crims0n 9mo ago
Isn't China currently stuck in a deflation loop?
nxm 9mo ago
And yet prices are marginally up while all the "economists" expected major inflation. Dollar vs Euro is at same level now as it was in 2019 - there are benefits to the economy as well when the currency is less strong.
- hypeatei 9mo ago
  > "economists" expected major inflation Gold front runs monetary policy and "economists" aren't the only ones trading that. Look at the gold chart for the past year. I don't think it's really disputed that high inflation is on the horizon due to the debt situation (which Trump has made worse with the OBBB) > there are benefits to the economy as well when the currency is less strong Care to list those? I can think of a few but it assumes that we're already in the position of being an export based economy which we're not and not tangibly working towards.
  - caminante 9mo ago
    > I don't think it's really disputed that high inflation is on the horizon This is moving the goalpost because you know economists (the critics) forecasted major inflation sooner/now, and it hasn't happened. > Care to list those? [...] it assumes that we're already in the position of being an export based economy which we're not and not tangibly working towards. You're not making sense or making coherent thoughts. The US is still the #2 exporting country in the world in absolute terms despite importing a relatively higher amount.
    - hypeatei 9mo ago
      > This is moving the goalpost because you know economists (the critics) forecasted major inflation sooner/now Yes, because no one expected him to chicken out as hard as he did. It also came out that people in his cabinet (specifically Howard Lutnick) were betting against tariffs while simultaneously advocating for them. The legal opinion is heavily leaning towards them being illegal after many lower court decisions. Do you care to explain how tariffs wouldn't be inflationary if the actions matched the rhetoric? > The US is still the #2 exporting country Are you being intentionally obtuse? Look at how much we import vs how much we export. What would you call an economy that imports more than it exports? A ___ based economy?
      - caminante 9mo ago
        > Do you care to explain how tariffs wouldn't be inflationary if the actions matched the rhetoric? It's like you're asking people to explain something that happened as if there's no explanation beyond your hatred of Trump. Why do you choose to dismiss drivers like stockpiling inventory, increased USMCA compliance, broader economic offsets (AI/tech boom, energy production) that could explain how tariffs aren't necessarily inflationary? > Look at how much we import vs how much we export. What would you call an economy that imports more... You ask this as if I didn't say the US imports more than it exports.
        hypeatei 9mo ago
        > Why do you choose to dismiss drivers like stockpiling inventory, increased USMCA compliance, broader economic offsets (AI/tech boom, energy production) Okay, so you're admitting that they're inflationary but choose to rattle off a list of random stuff that somehow, magically, offsets the increased costs from tariffs. Please go into detail on one of those, including what you're talking about (e.g. what is "increased USCMA compliance"?) AI datacenters have increased energy costs in the localities where they're based and raised memory prices by eating up all the supply. > You ask this as if I didn't say the US imports more than it exports. So.. you were agreeing with my point then? I don't understand why you'd call my thoughts "not coherent" then agree with it.
- threecheese 9mo ago
  I keep seeing this “marginally higher” statement about prices, usually as part of a “things are actually fine” argument, but everything in my life has increased in cost in a way I just don’t understand. Is it that these are counterbalanced in some way making it not macroeconomically relevant?
- songodongo 9mo ago
  Patty Melt at Waffle House is like $15 now. Thanks Trump.

crims0n 9mo ago

Isn't China currently stuck in a deflation loop?

nxm 9mo ago

And yet prices are marginally up while all the "economists" expected major inflation. Dollar vs Euro is at same level now as it was in 2019 - there are benefits to the economy as well when the currency is less strong.

hypeatei 9mo ago
> "economists" expected major inflation Gold front runs monetary policy and "economists" aren't the only ones trading that. Look at the gold chart for the past year. I don't think it's really disputed that high inflation is on the horizon due to the debt situation (which Trump has made worse with the OBBB) > there are benefits to the economy as well when the currency is less strong Care to list those? I can think of a few but it assumes that we're already in the position of being an export based economy which we're not and not tangibly working towards.
- caminante 9mo ago
  > I don't think it's really disputed that high inflation is on the horizon This is moving the goalpost because you know economists (the critics) forecasted major inflation sooner/now, and it hasn't happened. > Care to list those? [...] it assumes that we're already in the position of being an export based economy which we're not and not tangibly working towards. You're not making sense or making coherent thoughts. The US is still the #2 exporting country in the world in absolute terms despite importing a relatively higher amount.
  - hypeatei 9mo ago
    > This is moving the goalpost because you know economists (the critics) forecasted major inflation sooner/now Yes, because no one expected him to chicken out as hard as he did. It also came out that people in his cabinet (specifically Howard Lutnick) were betting against tariffs while simultaneously advocating for them. The legal opinion is heavily leaning towards them being illegal after many lower court decisions. Do you care to explain how tariffs wouldn't be inflationary if the actions matched the rhetoric? > The US is still the #2 exporting country Are you being intentionally obtuse? Look at how much we import vs how much we export. What would you call an economy that imports more than it exports? A ___ based economy?
    - caminante 9mo ago
      > Do you care to explain how tariffs wouldn't be inflationary if the actions matched the rhetoric? It's like you're asking people to explain something that happened as if there's no explanation beyond your hatred of Trump. Why do you choose to dismiss drivers like stockpiling inventory, increased USMCA compliance, broader economic offsets (AI/tech boom, energy production) that could explain how tariffs aren't necessarily inflationary? > Look at how much we import vs how much we export. What would you call an economy that imports more... You ask this as if I didn't say the US imports more than it exports.
      - hypeatei 9mo ago
        > Why do you choose to dismiss drivers like stockpiling inventory, increased USMCA compliance, broader economic offsets (AI/tech boom, energy production) Okay, so you're admitting that they're inflationary but choose to rattle off a list of random stuff that somehow, magically, offsets the increased costs from tariffs. Please go into detail on one of those, including what you're talking about (e.g. what is "increased USCMA compliance"?) AI datacenters have increased energy costs in the localities where they're based and raised memory prices by eating up all the supply. > You ask this as if I didn't say the US imports more than it exports. So.. you were agreeing with my point then? I don't understand why you'd call my thoughts "not coherent" then agree with it.
threecheese 9mo ago
I keep seeing this “marginally higher” statement about prices, usually as part of a “things are actually fine” argument, but everything in my life has increased in cost in a way I just don’t understand. Is it that these are counterbalanced in some way making it not macroeconomically relevant?
songodongo 9mo ago
Patty Melt at Waffle House is like $15 now. Thanks Trump.