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> Had this person been perfectly still, he'd be still alive. Again, I'd like to see you stay perfectly still after getting peppersprayed in the face without an

> Had this person been perfectly still, he'd be still alive. Again, I'd like to see you stay perfectly still after getting peppersprayed in the face without any reason. At no point was he threatening and attacking ICE agents. He was trying to help another woman who had just been assaulted by agents. They created the very situation that led to this tragedy.

kreetx 9mo ago
There was a reason if you watched the video, it was the "help" of putting his hands on one of the officers. And bringing a gun into a situation like this. There was a lot of whistlers, but I think the woman being helped was one of them, so this was what started the chain of events.
- spacechild1 9mo ago
  What started the whole thing is that an ICE agent violently pushed the women from behind.
  - kreetx 9mo ago
    Yes, because the woman was following the agent around, whistling.
    - spacechild1 9mo ago
      This is no reason for violently pushing someone to the ground, at least by my Central European standards. And at no point did Alex attack an agent. See my other comment.
      - kreetx 9mo ago
        If someone were to follow me around while blowing a whistle then that would be quite irritating. What would you do in this situation? Alex seemed to put hands on an officer. Whether this was well meaning in his head, it might have not seemed so to the officer. (Keep in mind that he had a constant whistle in his ear!)
        spacechild1 9mo ago
        > What would you do in this situation? Follow the protocol. If you lose your nerves because of people blowing a whistle, you're in the wrong job. > Alex seemed to put hands on an officer Where do you see that? All I see is that he raised his left hand in a protective manner, likely to keep the agent at a distance and protect himself from the pepper spray. After that gesture he turns away from the agent to help the woman on the ground. That's when they grapple him from behind and wrestle him to the ground. At no point did Alex behave in a threatening way or physically attack an agent. The DHS report does not mention any threating behavior either.
        kreetx 9mo ago
        Clearly you're not on the wrong job. Find me some info materials on how cops need to be resistant to either mental or physical violence. I'm sure we'll get a longer investigation into this matter. But it just doesn't seem like a pre-planned killing because they could get away with it, but a tragic sequence of events that you so much wish to bend your way.
        spacechild1 9mo ago
        I'm not claiming that this was a pre-planned killing. But it was more than just a tragic sequence of events because the agents were very much at fault here. They behaved aggressively and obviously did not know how to properly deal with an ordinary protestor (who clearly was no threat to the agents at any point).
        kreetx 9mo ago
        This is the ordinary protestor a little over a week before the event https://youtu.be/r0L9JUjcwo0?t=597 https://youtu.be/r0L9JUjcwo0?t=597. Alex had a gun with him. If he wanted to appear non-threatening he simply shouldn't have brought it to the event. I do maintain that this was an unfortunate sequence of events, but I think as this is investigated further, the guilt found on the officers will be small to none.

kreetx 9mo ago

There was a reason if you watched the video, it was the "help" of putting his hands on one of the officers. And bringing a gun into a situation like this. There was a lot of whistlers, but I think the woman being helped was one of them, so this was what started the chain of events.

spacechild1 9mo ago
What started the whole thing is that an ICE agent violently pushed the women from behind.
- kreetx 9mo ago
  Yes, because the woman was following the agent around, whistling.
  - spacechild1 9mo ago
    This is no reason for violently pushing someone to the ground, at least by my Central European standards. And at no point did Alex attack an agent. See my other comment.
    - kreetx 9mo ago
      If someone were to follow me around while blowing a whistle then that would be quite irritating. What would you do in this situation? Alex seemed to put hands on an officer. Whether this was well meaning in his head, it might have not seemed so to the officer. (Keep in mind that he had a constant whistle in his ear!)
      - spacechild1 9mo ago
        > What would you do in this situation? Follow the protocol. If you lose your nerves because of people blowing a whistle, you're in the wrong job. > Alex seemed to put hands on an officer Where do you see that? All I see is that he raised his left hand in a protective manner, likely to keep the agent at a distance and protect himself from the pepper spray. After that gesture he turns away from the agent to help the woman on the ground. That's when they grapple him from behind and wrestle him to the ground. At no point did Alex behave in a threatening way or physically attack an agent. The DHS report does not mention any threating behavior either.
        kreetx 9mo ago
        Clearly you're not on the wrong job. Find me some info materials on how cops need to be resistant to either mental or physical violence. I'm sure we'll get a longer investigation into this matter. But it just doesn't seem like a pre-planned killing because they could get away with it, but a tragic sequence of events that you so much wish to bend your way.
        spacechild1 9mo ago
        I'm not claiming that this was a pre-planned killing. But it was more than just a tragic sequence of events because the agents were very much at fault here. They behaved aggressively and obviously did not know how to properly deal with an ordinary protestor (who clearly was no threat to the agents at any point).
        kreetx 9mo ago
        This is the ordinary protestor a little over a week before the event https://youtu.be/r0L9JUjcwo0?t=597 https://youtu.be/r0L9JUjcwo0?t=597. Alex had a gun with him. If he wanted to appear non-threatening he simply shouldn't have brought it to the event. I do maintain that this was an unfortunate sequence of events, but I think as this is investigated further, the guilt found on the officers will be small to none.