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It's not about people carrying a gun at all, it's that should you carry a gun to a protest and should you engage in resisting to law enforcement while doing tha

by kreetx 9mo ago

It's not about people carrying a gun at all, it's that should you carry a gun to a protest and should you engage in resisting to law enforcement while doing that. Had this person been perfectly still, he'd be still alive. (And also, had he not had that gun, but still resisted, he'd likely would have also been alive.)

spacechild1 9mo ago
> Had this person been perfectly still, he'd be still alive. Again, I'd like to see you stay perfectly still after getting peppersprayed in the face without any reason. At no point was he threatening and attacking ICE agents. He was trying to help another woman who had just been assaulted by agents. They created the very situation that led to this tragedy.
- kreetx 9mo ago
  There was a reason if you watched the video, it was the "help" of putting his hands on one of the officers. And bringing a gun into a situation like this. There was a lot of whistlers, but I think the woman being helped was one of them, so this was what started the chain of events.
  - spacechild1 9mo ago
    What started the whole thing is that an ICE agent violently pushed the women from behind.
    - kreetx 9mo ago
      Yes, because the woman was following the agent around, whistling.
      - spacechild1 9mo ago
        This is no reason for violently pushing someone to the ground, at least by my Central European standards. And at no point did Alex attack an agent. See my other comment.
        kreetx 9mo ago
        If someone were to follow me around while blowing a whistle then that would be quite irritating. What would you do in this situation? Alex seemed to put hands on an officer. Whether this was well meaning in his head, it might have not seemed so to the officer. (Keep in mind that he had a constant whistle in his ear!)
        spacechild1 9mo ago
        > What would you do in this situation? Follow the protocol. If you lose your nerves because of people blowing a whistle, you're in the wrong job. > Alex seemed to put hands on an officer Where do you see that? All I see is that he raised his left hand in a protective manner, likely to keep the agent at a distance and protect himself from the pepper spray. After that gesture he turns away from the agent to help the woman on the ground. That's when they grapple him from behind and wrestle him to the ground. At no point did Alex behave in a threatening way or physically attack an agent. The DHS report does not mention any threating behavior either.
        kreetx 9mo ago
        Clearly you're not on the wrong job. Find me some info materials on how cops need to be resistant to either mental or physical violence. I'm sure we'll get a longer investigation into this matter. But it just doesn't seem like a pre-planned killing because they could get away with it, but a tragic sequence of events that you so much wish to bend your way.
        spacechild1 8mo ago
        I'm not claiming that this was a pre-planned killing. But it was more than just a tragic sequence of events because the agents were very much at fault here. They behaved aggressively and obviously did not know how to properly deal with an ordinary protestor (who clearly was no threat to the agents at any point).
flumpcakes 9mo ago
How is it 'resisting' when you have been chemically blinded and being beaten with metal objects? This idea of people "resisting" when they are being assaulted to death is ridiculous. If I start beating your face in with the grip of my gun, you deserve to get shot if you "resist"?
- kreetx 9mo ago
  Well, the larger sequence of events goes back to the group of people interfering with police work, including the woman whistling along with an officer. She got pushed which was where Alex entered. (Alex had already had a brief contact with the officers minutes before the fatal sequence of events.) Alex also had a gun with him. This eventually led him to being shot. The researched why will surface likely soon. But as of now, carrying a gun to a protest isn't something that helps with looking harmless.

by kreetx 9mo ago

spacechild1 9mo ago

> Had this person been perfectly still, he'd be still alive. Again, I'd like to see you stay perfectly still after getting peppersprayed in the face without any reason. At no point was he threatening and attacking ICE agents. He was trying to help another woman who had just been assaulted by agents. They created the very situation that led to this tragedy.

kreetx 9mo ago
There was a reason if you watched the video, it was the "help" of putting his hands on one of the officers. And bringing a gun into a situation like this. There was a lot of whistlers, but I think the woman being helped was one of them, so this was what started the chain of events.
- spacechild1 9mo ago
  What started the whole thing is that an ICE agent violently pushed the women from behind.
  - kreetx 9mo ago
    Yes, because the woman was following the agent around, whistling.
    - spacechild1 9mo ago
      This is no reason for violently pushing someone to the ground, at least by my Central European standards. And at no point did Alex attack an agent. See my other comment.
      - kreetx 9mo ago
        If someone were to follow me around while blowing a whistle then that would be quite irritating. What would you do in this situation? Alex seemed to put hands on an officer. Whether this was well meaning in his head, it might have not seemed so to the officer. (Keep in mind that he had a constant whistle in his ear!)
        spacechild1 9mo ago
        > What would you do in this situation? Follow the protocol. If you lose your nerves because of people blowing a whistle, you're in the wrong job. > Alex seemed to put hands on an officer Where do you see that? All I see is that he raised his left hand in a protective manner, likely to keep the agent at a distance and protect himself from the pepper spray. After that gesture he turns away from the agent to help the woman on the ground. That's when they grapple him from behind and wrestle him to the ground. At no point did Alex behave in a threatening way or physically attack an agent. The DHS report does not mention any threating behavior either.
        kreetx 9mo ago
        Clearly you're not on the wrong job. Find me some info materials on how cops need to be resistant to either mental or physical violence. I'm sure we'll get a longer investigation into this matter. But it just doesn't seem like a pre-planned killing because they could get away with it, but a tragic sequence of events that you so much wish to bend your way.
        spacechild1 8mo ago
        I'm not claiming that this was a pre-planned killing. But it was more than just a tragic sequence of events because the agents were very much at fault here. They behaved aggressively and obviously did not know how to properly deal with an ordinary protestor (who clearly was no threat to the agents at any point).

flumpcakes 9mo ago

How is it 'resisting' when you have been chemically blinded and being beaten with metal objects? This idea of people "resisting" when they are being assaulted to death is ridiculous. If I start beating your face in with the grip of my gun, you deserve to get shot if you "resist"?

kreetx 9mo ago
Well, the larger sequence of events goes back to the group of people interfering with police work, including the woman whistling along with an officer. She got pushed which was where Alex entered. (Alex had already had a brief contact with the officers minutes before the fatal sequence of events.) Alex also had a gun with him. This eventually led him to being shot. The researched why will surface likely soon. But as of now, carrying a gun to a protest isn't something that helps with looking harmless.