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Do you have an example of a person following orders and complying while being arrested, but still being brutally beaten and pepper sprayed by ICE?

by coderc 8mo ago

quickthrowman 8mo ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1qjf1vc/observer_being_arrested_and_pepper_sprayed_at/ https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1qjf1vc/observer_bei... This person is face down on the ground being restrained by three officers. Is the pepper spray necessary here?
- coderc 8mo ago
  With just a single frame to go off of, I can't tell. There's not enough information there. edit: I found a video of this event: https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjfxbj/ice_pepper_sprays_pinned_man_in_the_face_12126/ https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjfxbj/ice_pepp... It doesn't show what led up to this moment, but it appears the person was indeed resisting arrest. If you are not resisting arrest, you don't need three officers to pin you to the ground.
  - VBprogrammer 8mo ago
    > If you are not resisting arrest, you don't need three officers to pin you to the ground. If three officers decide to push you to the ground and jump on top of you, you have three officers on top of you. This says nothing about whether you were resisting arrest or not. Resisting arrest at least implies that you have some understanding that you are actually being arrested and by someone who at least notionally has some legal basis for doing so. It's why police officers will typically identify themselves and tell you under what you are suspected of during an arrest. If after that someone attempts to flee or fightback then sure. I'm relatively sure spraying chemical irritants at point blank range is not following any reasonable use of force guidelines. They are just retaliating with force because it suits them.
GuinansEyebrows 8mo ago
Her name was Renee Nicole Good, and she was shot in the face while attempting to comply with orders given.
- coderc 8mo ago
  From the videos I saw, she was ordered to get out of the car. She did not attempt to comply with that order.
  - GuinansEyebrows 8mo ago
    fix your heart.
    - spicymaki 8mo ago
      Don’t feed the troll. Save your strength.
    - akimbostrawman 8mo ago
      Emotional adhominen response to a factual argument isn't working outside of kindergarten or reddit

Do you have an example of a person following orders and complying while being arrested, but still being brutally beaten and pepper sprayed by ICE?

by coderc 8mo ago

Do you have an example of a person following orders and complying while being arrested, but still being brutally beaten and pepper sprayed by ICE?

quickthrowman 8mo ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1qjf1vc/observer_being_arrested_and_pepper_sprayed_at/ https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/comments/1qjf1vc/observer_bei... This person is face down on the ground being restrained by three officers. Is the pepper spray necessary here?

coderc 8mo ago
With just a single frame to go off of, I can't tell. There's not enough information there. edit: I found a video of this event: https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjfxbj/ice_pepper_sprays_pinned_man_in_the_face_12126/ https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjfxbj/ice_pepp... It doesn't show what led up to this moment, but it appears the person was indeed resisting arrest. If you are not resisting arrest, you don't need three officers to pin you to the ground.
- VBprogrammer 8mo ago
  > If you are not resisting arrest, you don't need three officers to pin you to the ground. If three officers decide to push you to the ground and jump on top of you, you have three officers on top of you. This says nothing about whether you were resisting arrest or not. Resisting arrest at least implies that you have some understanding that you are actually being arrested and by someone who at least notionally has some legal basis for doing so. It's why police officers will typically identify themselves and tell you under what you are suspected of during an arrest. If after that someone attempts to flee or fightback then sure. I'm relatively sure spraying chemical irritants at point blank range is not following any reasonable use of force guidelines. They are just retaliating with force because it suits them.

GuinansEyebrows 8mo ago

Her name was Renee Nicole Good, and she was shot in the face while attempting to comply with orders given.

coderc 8mo ago
From the videos I saw, she was ordered to get out of the car. She did not attempt to comply with that order.
- GuinansEyebrows 8mo ago
  fix your heart.
  - spicymaki 8mo ago
    Don’t feed the troll. Save your strength.
  - akimbostrawman 8mo ago
    Emotional adhominen response to a factual argument isn't working outside of kindergarten or reddit