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So whatever resources you have, Apple will use them mostly to render 3D glass effects. With Debian (Xfce), I can't speak for other desktop environments, you nee

So whatever resources you have, Apple will use them mostly to render 3D glass effects. With Debian (Xfce), I can't speak for other desktop environments, you need roughly three times fewer resources to run the OS itself.

deaux 9mo ago
Or you just don't run Tahoe?
- reconnecting 9mo ago
  Actually, you don't have this choice anymore. Apple is disabling downgrading across all of iOS, and starting to do the same with MacOS. So you need to keep old hardware to run older MacOS versions, and it's only a matter of a few years before Tahoe is the latest OS you can run on your Mac.
  - deaux 9mo ago
    > Actually, you don't have this choice anymore. I must have taken some shrooms before I downgraded from Tahoe to Sequoia a few hours ago then.
    - stefanfisk 9mo ago
      Old Macs can certainly be downgraded. iOS doesn’t allow it though and they pulled the latest security update which fucking sucks. And if you buy a M5, Tahoe is the only OS that’s available.
      - reconnecting 9mo ago
        I have nothing against old Macs and MacOS, but I certainly won't be buying anything since the Apple Silicon switch, because now only Apple controls which OS you can run.
      - deaux 9mo ago
        >If you buy a machine that isn't even released yet Uhh, I guess. AFAIK iOS has been very locked down wrt rolling back upgrades since forever and isn't super relevant to this thread. Happy to be corrected.
        klausa 9mo ago
        M5 MacBook Pros have been shipping for over three months now. The M5 Pro/Max variants aren't; but an M5 Mac is a thing you could have bought for a good while now.
        stefanfisk 9mo ago
        Here’s the correction. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-m5 https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-m5
        deaux 9mo ago
        The requested correction was on the "iOS has been locked down on downgrading since forever" part and another reply had already provided one for M5 being sold (though only pros seemingly) :)
    - reconnecting 9mo ago
      Oh, I must be clear here: I'm not considering M1 Macs or later, since Apple closed the ecosystem with Apple Silicon. What you did is a downgrade in what's called the supported OS. However, if you decide to downgrade to Catalina on an M1 Mac, it's not possible — Big Sur is the earliest version that runs on Apple Silicon. Anyway, you cannot downgrade to a macOS version older than what your Mac originally came with. So if you buy a Mac now, Tahoe will be the minimum option.
- array_key_first 9mo ago
  That's a very temporary solution to be fair. KDE and even, shudder, Gnome put mac os and windows to shame when it comes to responsiveness, performance, and resource usage. I mean, KDE does 3x the stuff for 1/3 the cost. That's more memory and CPU for your IDE or, more likely, chrome tabs.

deaux 9mo ago

Or you just don't run Tahoe?

reconnecting 9mo ago
Actually, you don't have this choice anymore. Apple is disabling downgrading across all of iOS, and starting to do the same with MacOS. So you need to keep old hardware to run older MacOS versions, and it's only a matter of a few years before Tahoe is the latest OS you can run on your Mac.
- deaux 9mo ago
  > Actually, you don't have this choice anymore. I must have taken some shrooms before I downgraded from Tahoe to Sequoia a few hours ago then.
  - stefanfisk 9mo ago
    Old Macs can certainly be downgraded. iOS doesn’t allow it though and they pulled the latest security update which fucking sucks. And if you buy a M5, Tahoe is the only OS that’s available.
    - reconnecting 9mo ago
      I have nothing against old Macs and MacOS, but I certainly won't be buying anything since the Apple Silicon switch, because now only Apple controls which OS you can run.
    - deaux 9mo ago
      >If you buy a machine that isn't even released yet Uhh, I guess. AFAIK iOS has been very locked down wrt rolling back upgrades since forever and isn't super relevant to this thread. Happy to be corrected.
      - klausa 9mo ago
        M5 MacBook Pros have been shipping for over three months now. The M5 Pro/Max variants aren't; but an M5 Mac is a thing you could have bought for a good while now.
      - stefanfisk 9mo ago
        Here’s the correction. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-m5 https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch-m5
        deaux 9mo ago
        The requested correction was on the "iOS has been locked down on downgrading since forever" part and another reply had already provided one for M5 being sold (though only pros seemingly) :)
  - reconnecting 9mo ago
    Oh, I must be clear here: I'm not considering M1 Macs or later, since Apple closed the ecosystem with Apple Silicon. What you did is a downgrade in what's called the supported OS. However, if you decide to downgrade to Catalina on an M1 Mac, it's not possible — Big Sur is the earliest version that runs on Apple Silicon. Anyway, you cannot downgrade to a macOS version older than what your Mac originally came with. So if you buy a Mac now, Tahoe will be the minimum option.
array_key_first 9mo ago
That's a very temporary solution to be fair. KDE and even, shudder, Gnome put mac os and windows to shame when it comes to responsiveness, performance, and resource usage. I mean, KDE does 3x the stuff for 1/3 the cost. That's more memory and CPU for your IDE or, more likely, chrome tabs.