5 ms·
Nope, but executing law abiding citizens in the streets is
by ChromaticPanic 8mo ago
Nope, but executing law abiding citizens in the streets is
- TrnsltLife 8mo agoNeither of them were abiding by the law. Nor were either of them executed. Such hyperbole.
- 0dayz 8mo agoAbiding the law? What law did they break to constitute being shot dead on the spot? Or do you now support vague charges like "obstruction of justice"?
- kreetx 8mo agoOne person showed up with a gun, the other tried to flee (or run over) an officer. Wold you as a police officer always behave perfectly in any urgent situation?
- dannyfreeman 8mo agoIt is famously against the law to own a gun, and carry it with a permit in the United States.
- kreetx 8mo agoIt's famously peaceful if you carry a gun to a protest and it famously drives no officer around you even more to their edge.
- DangitBobby 8mo agoMy man loves that boot.
- kreetx 8mo agoIf only take sides and don't make any actual arguments, then unfortunately you won't convince anyone either.
- DangitBobby 8mo agoCops can kill at will isn't something that needs to be argued against.
- kreetx 8mo agoCops can kill if they have reason to believe that the other will kill. Look it up.
- DangitBobby 8mo ago"at will". They aren't going to give you a medal for how far you can bend over.
- kreetx 8mo agoYou should elaborate, because if this is the sentence you want, it's no different: Cops can kill at will if they have reason to believe that the other will kill.
- DangitBobby 8mo agoThey can kill when they have a reasonable basis for assuming they are facing an imminent threat to their lives or addressing a threat to public safety (but NOT to prevent criminal activity that isn't life threatening). That isn't the same thing as a license to kill, and they are accountable for charges like murder when they don't meet a "reasonable officer on the scene" standard. I don't consider that to be "at will" (likened to "at will employment") so much as "at their discretion."
- dannyfreeman 8mo agoIf these cowardly goons are afraid of American citizens exercising their second amendment rights they should find another job.
- kreetx 8mo agoAs should you refrain from making assesments on human psychology if you are not able to do so.
- spacechild1 8mo agoInteresting. When people who stormed the Capitol openly carried assault rifles, MAGA had no problem with it. They called them patriots and peaceful protesters.
- kreetx 8mo agoIt's not about people carrying a gun at all, it's that should you carry a gun to a protest and should you engage in resisting to law enforcement while doing that. Had this person been perfectly still, he'd be still alive. (And also, had he not had that gun, but still resisted, he'd likely would have also been alive.)
- spacechild1 8mo ago> Had this person been perfectly still, he'd be still alive. Again, I'd like to see you stay perfectly still after getting peppersprayed in the face without any reason. At no point was he threatening and attacking ICE agents. He was trying to help another woman who had just been assaulted by agents. They created the very situation that led to this tragedy.
- kreetx 8mo agoThere was a reason if you watched the video, it was the "help" of putting his hands on one of the officers. And bringing a gun into a situation like this. There was a lot of whistlers, but I think the woman being helped was one of them, so this was what started the chain of events.
- spacechild1 8mo agoWhat started the whole thing is that an ICE agent violently pushed the women from behind.
- kreetx 8mo agoYes, because the woman was following the agent around, whistling.
- anthonypasq 8mo agodidnt realize the punishment for that was death
- array_key_first 8mo agoTrying to flee is famously not a justification for murder, if anything it's the opposite. You're literally kicking someone while they're down. Or, uh, shooting them. Obviously a fleeing person is not a threat to your life, which is the ONLY justification for a shooting.
- kreetx 8mo agoWhy would you flee from law enforcement, or why would you try to run them over?
- array_key_first 8mo agoIt's not relevant because neither are justications for a shooting. Why did George Floyd counterfeit a 20 or whatever? I don't know, but I do know he deserved due process, not a public execution. Regardless of your political affiliation. Also, nobody tried to run anyone over. That's just straight up not true and I won't humor it, so don't bother.
- kreetx 8mo agoThere is a video of the woman either doing a getaway or a runover. I don't quite get why would you do that while you are being stopped by law enforcement. And it's also apparently dangerous.
- array_key_first 8mo agoYou're missing the point. None of this matters. You're purposefully not addressing the underlying problem - extrajudicial executions - because the conclusion must make you uncomfortable. Today, the punishment for fleeing is not execution. The conversation ends there. Everything else is just noise, and you know that, so stop.
- kreetx 8mo agoThis video very well sums up my opinion and relates it to law https://youtu.be/QePoawDA_48?si=0mr-lMR_lIRoBDA_ https://youtu.be/QePoawDA_48?si=0mr-lMR_lIRoBDA_ I think you and I both don't know much about the law, but my opinion apparently represents it closer.
- vharuck 8mo agoIf you have the right to bear arms, but law enforcement officers can shoot you if they spot that gun, then you don't actually have the right to bear arms.
- kreetx 8mo agoYou do have the right to bear arms but bearing arms conveys a meaning, that you'd see a reason to use it, so if you have a gun at an event where there are ample amounts of law enforcement present, against who would you be protecting yourself?
- 0dayz 8mo agoSo anytime an officer kills a person with a gun, that is now justified? Despite the fact that the man in question that was killed had a legal permit for said gun AND 1 of the ICE agent even took his gun away and despite this was shot to death while lying on the ground? So where is the urgency? Not enough KDA ratio to score high enough on the scoreboard?
- kreetx 8mo agoYour version seems to be that they randomly opened fire. Another version is that a gun went off, not all of the officers knew where the victims gun was, they had also heard someone yell "gun", so after the first shot they opened fire. It's not that you can be shot at by law enforcement when you are carrying a gun, but that you can be shot at when there is an apparent reason that you are firing at them with it. I'm sure ICE isn't happy about how the events turned out either. But for the protesters: just don't bring a gun!
- ok_dad 8mo agoif the pigs are so scared of guns they should quit. i was a trained military security officer and i never just drew my gun and shot a guy because i heard a word shouted that was scary. also: we have a 2nd amendment right to carry guns melt ice.
- kreetx 8mo agoPerhaps you are an exception but almost all people are afraid of death. If a person opposing you has a gun then most people get scared. I'm not debating 2nd amendment. But if you bring a gun to an event already filled with law enforcement, what is your intention?
- 0dayz 8mo agoTo have your constitutional rights to bear arms even at a protest or where does it say doubt shall not carry rifle when in assembly? On top of this are you willing to condemn the anti government protests done by tea party, anti covid lock down and j6 rioters? At least you'll be consistent.
- bean469 8mo agoWhat laws did they break?
- deleted 8mo ago[deleted]
- solaris2007 8mo agoThis kind of made up bullshit makes you look like a total lunatic.