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> Obama was able to get people motivated. Neither Biden nor Harris had anywhere near that How do you explain Biden getting so many more votes than Obama even w

> Obama was able to get people motivated. Neither Biden nor Harris had anywhere near that How do you explain Biden getting so many more votes than Obama even while Trump improved with black and Hispanics over past Republican candidates?

ceejayoz 9mo ago
> How do you explain Biden getting so many more votes than Obama US population in 2008: 304 million US population in 2020: 332 million https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/population https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni... Barring enormous turnout differences, pretty much every US election gets more raw votes than the last.
- SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
  Interesting theory, explain 2024 when the total went down. Simple enough explanation… 2020 was a massive outlier. If you forgotten, the topic is GP saying Biden didn’t motivate voters. Well, that does not seem correct.
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    2024 was a massive outlier. First black woman ever, and the first time a candidate got swapped out mid-campaign. You can't extrapolate much from that one.
  - Zak 9mo ago
    I think people were highly motivated in 2020 because of Trump, not Biden. The turnout would have been similar for any credible candidate running against Trump. What's weird to me is that a lot of people lost that motivation over the next four years. If they found Trump scary in 2020, they should have found him scary in 2024.
    - SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
      And then in 2024 they were 100% opposite motivated for Trump to win popular vote, increase with every demo except for white women, and move almost every single county in the country to the right? Why would Trump be so unpopular to boost Biden in 2020, then do so much better in 2024?
      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        > Why would Trump be so unpopular to boost Biden in 2020, then do so much better in 2024? 1. He was President at the time, and people blame the President for what's happening (COVID then, recession now). Same deal now. 2. It didn't wind up being Trump/Biden in 2024 at all.

ceejayoz 9mo ago

> How do you explain Biden getting so many more votes than Obama US population in 2008: 304 million US population in 2020: 332 million https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/population https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni... Barring enormous turnout differences, pretty much every US election gets more raw votes than the last.

SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
Interesting theory, explain 2024 when the total went down. Simple enough explanation… 2020 was a massive outlier. If you forgotten, the topic is GP saying Biden didn’t motivate voters. Well, that does not seem correct.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  2024 was a massive outlier. First black woman ever, and the first time a candidate got swapped out mid-campaign. You can't extrapolate much from that one.
- Zak 9mo ago
  I think people were highly motivated in 2020 because of Trump, not Biden. The turnout would have been similar for any credible candidate running against Trump. What's weird to me is that a lot of people lost that motivation over the next four years. If they found Trump scary in 2020, they should have found him scary in 2024.
  - SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
    And then in 2024 they were 100% opposite motivated for Trump to win popular vote, increase with every demo except for white women, and move almost every single county in the country to the right? Why would Trump be so unpopular to boost Biden in 2020, then do so much better in 2024?
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      > Why would Trump be so unpopular to boost Biden in 2020, then do so much better in 2024? 1. He was President at the time, and people blame the President for what's happening (COVID then, recession now). Same deal now. 2. It didn't wind up being Trump/Biden in 2024 at all.