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That law enforcement is permitted to hide their faces, drive unmarked vehicles, not display name tags, badges, or uniforms is concerning. Anyone can buy a gun,

That law enforcement is permitted to hide their faces, drive unmarked vehicles, not display name tags, badges, or uniforms is concerning. Anyone can buy a gun, a vest, and a velcro “police” patch. There is very little that marks these agents as official law enforcement. I’m somewhat surprised that none of these agents have been shot entering a home under the mistaken perception by the homeowner that it’s a criminal home invasion.

janalsncm 8mo ago
Or alternatively, that criminals haven’t simply claimed to be ICE as an excuse to break into someone’s house.
- andreygrehov 8mo ago
  Where was the outrage when Obama deported 3.1 million people? Why was there no media coverage? Trump has deported 300k and the MSM is turning upside down. Doesn’t make any sense to me.
  - dragonwriter 8mo ago
    No one is upset about the number of deportations. No one is complaining about the number of deportations. If you don't listen to what the complaints are about to start with, you can't argue that they are hypocritical.
    - andreygrehov 8mo ago
      Ok. What are people upset about, and why are they only upset in one city?
      - dragonwriter 8mo ago
        > What are people upset about, A wide array of policy issues related to the targeting and manner of execution of Trump’s mass deportation program, not the number of deportations. Also, a number of specific instances of violence by the federal government during what is (at least notionally) the execution of immigration enforcement. > why are they only upset in one city? People are very clearly not “only upset in one city” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_mass_deportation_during_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_mass_deportat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good_protes... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/protests-alex-pretti-killing-federal-agents-ice https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/protests-ale...
        andreygrehov 8mo ago
        [flagged]
        rhcom2 8mo ago
        There were contemporary criticism of Obama's deportation policy on both the right and the left. I have no idea why you think that is some sort of gotcha that somehow makes the equivalency between Obama and Trump's immigration enforcement valid.
        andreygrehov 8mo ago
        No. The outrage now versus back then is day and night. There were pretty much no protests during Obama’s term, even though the scale of deportations was much larger. That contrast is highly suspicious.
        rhcom2 8mo ago
        Dragonwriter has already laid out some of the differences for you to research further beyond the single data point of number of deportations. You've asked the same question multiple times but seem to not want to actually engage with the answers so I'll leave it there.
        janalsncm 8mo ago
        People keep telling you that it has nothing to do with the number of deportations, and you keep insisting that it does. Why do you believe the number of deportations is the most important factor?
        andreygrehov 8mo ago
        Copying my other response here: The core issue is the media. I worked at a large news company in New York during the Obama’s term. There was a training for our reporters: anything negative about Obama was strictly prohibited. Ad revenue.
  - chaps 8mo ago
    When talking to someone at-risk of deportation earlier in the year, they asked me, "Why should I do anything differently? Obama and Biden did the same exact shit." And there's a lot of truth to that which a lot of people need to reconcile with. The fact that we don't have DACA solidified into a path towards citizenship by now is just sad.
    - andreygrehov 8mo ago
      And I agree with you, but that's not what I'm questioning. Given the 10x larger scale of deportations during the Obama's term, why were there no protests?
      - defrost 8mo ago
        During Obama's term the practice of warrentless entry into actual citizens homes wasn't widespread. During Obama's term the leaders of DHS / ICE were not blatently lying about events captured on film and evading legitmate investigations into deaths at the hands of officers. During Obamas term people with no criminal record were not being offshored to hell-hole prison camps with serious abuses of human rights.
        andreygrehov 8mo ago
        Give me a break - https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...
        defrost 8mo ago
        Can you link to the tweet in which Obama defended the agents right to threaten a child with rape? From your linked article: If the abuses were this bad under Obama when the Border Patrol described itself as constrained, imagine how it must be now under Trump, who vowed to unleash the agents to do their jobs. There's your difference. Thank you for playing.

janalsncm 8mo ago

Or alternatively, that criminals haven’t simply claimed to be ICE as an excuse to break into someone’s house.

andreygrehov 8mo ago
Where was the outrage when Obama deported 3.1 million people? Why was there no media coverage? Trump has deported 300k and the MSM is turning upside down. Doesn’t make any sense to me.
- dragonwriter 8mo ago
  No one is upset about the number of deportations. No one is complaining about the number of deportations. If you don't listen to what the complaints are about to start with, you can't argue that they are hypocritical.
  - andreygrehov 8mo ago
    Ok. What are people upset about, and why are they only upset in one city?
    - dragonwriter 8mo ago
      > What are people upset about, A wide array of policy issues related to the targeting and manner of execution of Trump’s mass deportation program, not the number of deportations. Also, a number of specific instances of violence by the federal government during what is (at least notionally) the execution of immigration enforcement. > why are they only upset in one city? People are very clearly not “only upset in one city” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_mass_deportation_during_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_mass_deportat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good_protes... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/protests-alex-pretti-killing-federal-agents-ice https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/protests-ale...
      - andreygrehov 8mo ago
        [flagged]
        rhcom2 8mo ago
        There were contemporary criticism of Obama's deportation policy on both the right and the left. I have no idea why you think that is some sort of gotcha that somehow makes the equivalency between Obama and Trump's immigration enforcement valid.
        andreygrehov 8mo ago
        No. The outrage now versus back then is day and night. There were pretty much no protests during Obama’s term, even though the scale of deportations was much larger. That contrast is highly suspicious.
        rhcom2 8mo ago
        Dragonwriter has already laid out some of the differences for you to research further beyond the single data point of number of deportations. You've asked the same question multiple times but seem to not want to actually engage with the answers so I'll leave it there.
        janalsncm 8mo ago
        People keep telling you that it has nothing to do with the number of deportations, and you keep insisting that it does. Why do you believe the number of deportations is the most important factor?
        andreygrehov 8mo ago
        Copying my other response here: The core issue is the media. I worked at a large news company in New York during the Obama’s term. There was a training for our reporters: anything negative about Obama was strictly prohibited. Ad revenue.
- chaps 8mo ago
  When talking to someone at-risk of deportation earlier in the year, they asked me, "Why should I do anything differently? Obama and Biden did the same exact shit." And there's a lot of truth to that which a lot of people need to reconcile with. The fact that we don't have DACA solidified into a path towards citizenship by now is just sad.
  - andreygrehov 8mo ago
    And I agree with you, but that's not what I'm questioning. Given the 10x larger scale of deportations during the Obama's term, why were there no protests?
    - defrost 8mo ago
      During Obama's term the practice of warrentless entry into actual citizens homes wasn't widespread. During Obama's term the leaders of DHS / ICE were not blatently lying about events captured on film and evading legitmate investigations into deaths at the hands of officers. During Obamas term people with no criminal record were not being offshored to hell-hole prison camps with serious abuses of human rights.
      - andreygrehov 8mo ago
        Give me a break - https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...
        defrost 8mo ago
        Can you link to the tweet in which Obama defended the agents right to threaten a child with rape? From your linked article: If the abuses were this bad under Obama when the Border Patrol described itself as constrained, imagine how it must be now under Trump, who vowed to unleash the agents to do their jobs. There's your difference. Thank you for playing.