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janalsncm 9mo ago
I don’t see anything there about querying license plate databases. There is a spreadsheet of donors to some kind of organization.
- andreygrehov 9mo ago
  https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093635096658172 https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093635096658172 Also, what is the outrage about? This administration has deported the least number of people compared to all previous administrations. Obama deported 3.1 million people, ten times more than Trump today. Same ICE, same border patrol.
  - rhcom2 9mo ago
    It literally say it is a crowdsourced list... a completely legal activity. If you can't figure out what the outrage is about after Alex Pretti and Renée Good then you're being intentionally obtuse.
    - andreygrehov 9mo ago
      1. The outrage had been there prior to their death. 2. Their death is the outcome of the outrage.
      - rhcom2 9mo ago
        Their deaths are an outcome of the heavy handed immigration enforcement that has caused the outrage. The raw number of deportations is not the only metric. The enforcement tactics of the Obama admin are not the same as Trump's, this is obvious and incontrovertible. You don't have to agree with the criticisms but to not even be able to understand why people are upset stretches believability.
        andreygrehov 9mo ago
        Duh... You're still collapsing cause and context. The protests preceded the deaths; the deaths occurred during confrontations created by the protests. That makes them an outcome of escalation, not the original trigger. And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody (https://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/sites/default/files/reports/Fatal%20Neglect%20ACLU-DWN-NIJC.pdf https://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/sites/default/files/re...) with nowhere near this level of outrage. What changed is media framing and amplification, not the existence of harsh enforcement.
        rhcom2 9mo ago
        It doesn't have to be the original trigger, you asked "what is the outrage about?" and those deaths are part of it. > And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody You continuously ask this same question, get an answer, and ignore it. ICE enforcement was not the same under Obama and Trump even if Obama had high deportation numbers. The deaths in that report were from medical issues or neglect. Horrible, absolutely, but not shootings, not American citizens, and not protesters. Maybe instead of assuming everyone is a stooge that can only do what the media tells them, consider they may actually have some legitimate grievances?
plorg 9mo ago
I don't know what they think they're doing there. If the most interesting thing they found was the public website leading to a fundraising platform for mutual aid a) there is literally nothing illegal there, and b) you can find that website linked to publicly by conservatively 25% of the twin cities population. It's literally the most prominent fundraising website anyone has been posting.
- andreygrehov 9mo ago
  Wrong. The "protesters" were conducting counterintelligence to locate where ICE was operating. The plan was to disrupt the operation. Like it or not, this is against the law. Period.
  - plorg 9mo ago
    I know you want to frame it a different way, but the articles you are posting don't describe anything that's illegal.
    - andreygrehov 9mo ago
      I'm not framing anything. There are screenshots of the chats where people literally say "ICE vehicle has been identified, everybody, go there!". This is called interfering.
      - plorg 9mo ago
        The "interfering" this are describing is your framing. You want it to be interference in a legally actionable way, but it simply isn't.
        andreygrehov 9mo ago
        18 U.S.C. § 111 - Assaulting, resisting, impeding officers (including federal agents) 18 U.S.C. § 1505 - Obstruction of Federal Officers (this includes ICE itself - obstructing or interfering with an ICE arrest is a crime) 18 U.S.C. § 118 - Obstructing, resisting, or interfering with federal protective functions

janalsncm 9mo ago

I don’t see anything there about querying license plate databases. There is a spreadsheet of donors to some kind of organization.

andreygrehov 9mo ago
https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093635096658172 https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093635096658172 Also, what is the outrage about? This administration has deported the least number of people compared to all previous administrations. Obama deported 3.1 million people, ten times more than Trump today. Same ICE, same border patrol.
- rhcom2 9mo ago
  It literally say it is a crowdsourced list... a completely legal activity. If you can't figure out what the outrage is about after Alex Pretti and Renée Good then you're being intentionally obtuse.
  - andreygrehov 9mo ago
    1. The outrage had been there prior to their death. 2. Their death is the outcome of the outrage.
    - rhcom2 9mo ago
      Their deaths are an outcome of the heavy handed immigration enforcement that has caused the outrage. The raw number of deportations is not the only metric. The enforcement tactics of the Obama admin are not the same as Trump's, this is obvious and incontrovertible. You don't have to agree with the criticisms but to not even be able to understand why people are upset stretches believability.
      - andreygrehov 9mo ago
        Duh... You're still collapsing cause and context. The protests preceded the deaths; the deaths occurred during confrontations created by the protests. That makes them an outcome of escalation, not the original trigger. And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody (https://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/sites/default/files/reports/Fatal%20Neglect%20ACLU-DWN-NIJC.pdf https://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/sites/default/files/re...) with nowhere near this level of outrage. What changed is media framing and amplification, not the existence of harsh enforcement.
        rhcom2 9mo ago
        It doesn't have to be the original trigger, you asked "what is the outrage about?" and those deaths are part of it. > And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody You continuously ask this same question, get an answer, and ignore it. ICE enforcement was not the same under Obama and Trump even if Obama had high deportation numbers. The deaths in that report were from medical issues or neglect. Horrible, absolutely, but not shootings, not American citizens, and not protesters. Maybe instead of assuming everyone is a stooge that can only do what the media tells them, consider they may actually have some legitimate grievances?

plorg 9mo ago

I don't know what they think they're doing there. If the most interesting thing they found was the public website leading to a fundraising platform for mutual aid a) there is literally nothing illegal there, and b) you can find that website linked to publicly by conservatively 25% of the twin cities population. It's literally the most prominent fundraising website anyone has been posting.

andreygrehov 9mo ago
Wrong. The "protesters" were conducting counterintelligence to locate where ICE was operating. The plan was to disrupt the operation. Like it or not, this is against the law. Period.
- plorg 9mo ago
  I know you want to frame it a different way, but the articles you are posting don't describe anything that's illegal.
  - andreygrehov 9mo ago
    I'm not framing anything. There are screenshots of the chats where people literally say "ICE vehicle has been identified, everybody, go there!". This is called interfering.
    - plorg 9mo ago
      The "interfering" this are describing is your framing. You want it to be interference in a legally actionable way, but it simply isn't.
      - andreygrehov 9mo ago
        18 U.S.C. § 111 - Assaulting, resisting, impeding officers (including federal agents) 18 U.S.C. § 1505 - Obstruction of Federal Officers (this includes ICE itself - obstructing or interfering with an ICE arrest is a crime) 18 U.S.C. § 118 - Obstructing, resisting, or interfering with federal protective functions