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Just don't buy those foods. Buy fresh vegetables, tofu, and meat from the edges of the grocery store. Simple. Done.

wppick 8mo ago
Go to your grocery store and see if they have half and half or whipping cream with just milk and cream as ingredients. At lot of grocery stores I've been to don't have any cream it's a recipe with cream guar gum and a few other ingredients. They shouldn't be able to call that recipe the same name "cream". My point is even trying to just buy these ingredients is itself complicated
- massysett 8mo ago
  This isn’t hard at all. Didn’t take me three minutes. It’s even a major brand available at a variety of US supermarkets. It’s not niche or “organic”. https://giantfood.com/product/land-o-lakes-half-half-cream-1-quart/128899 https://giantfood.com/product/land-o-lakes-half-half-cream-1...
  - bri3k 8mo ago
    I don’t buy half and half cream very often. I did not know that for a basic product they were selling items that aren’t just milk and cream. Ignorance on my part? Sure, but there is over a hundred different things I buy. It would be doing a audit everytime I go shopping.
    - chneu 8mo ago
      You go shopping thousands of times in your life. Spend 10 seconds reading a label. Holy crap people are lazy and entitled. You want your hand held and all the conveniences in the world so you don't have to read a label or buy a vegetable.
      - bri3k 8mo ago
        Yeah, the label says half milk half cream.
    - TacoCommander 8mo ago
      >> doing a audit everytime I go shopping Well, yes. You should be thinking about what you purchase and what goes into your body. Once a product is vetted, you should be able to keep buying it with only periodic refresher checks at the ingredients.
      - wppick 8mo ago
        Even if it says milk the quality still depends on what they fed the cow that produced the milk. How much Palm oil was in the cows diet and what effect does that have on the milk. Even things like was the milk taken from an infected/inflamed utter?
dangus 8mo ago
Simple in theory, snobby in practice. Making food from scratch is a time luxury. It often benefits from good/expensive kitchen equipment unless you want to spend even more time and labor. Let’s take bread as an example. I can buy it from the store for a dollar or two pre-sliced with preservatives and processing, or I can make it myself, which doesn’t really save any money. The fresh kind from the grocery store bakery with no preservatives costs more and goes bad faster. I work two part time hourly jobs and my only way to keep up on bills is to pull extra hours. When am I getting extra time to bake bread? How am I getting extra money to buy a $300 stand mixer to make baking bread less painful? Who is educating me to do all this when the industry has lobbied to keep ingredient disclosures confined to tiny fine print with no industry requirement to prominently display negative health aspects? It’s not like my grade school taught me this because I grew up in the wrong zip code. For example, the sugar cereal has fun characters and colors at eye level of children and it has a bunch of advertising copy on it that makes nearly-false claims of its health benefits. But you’re saying “just don’t buy those foods” when trusted institutions are telling us the opposite. We can also talk organic reduced pesticide vegetables, which cost more. Want to buy eggs from chickens that weren’t abused? Costs twice as much. Milk from cows that are farmed responsibly? Costs twice as much.
- rienbdj 8mo ago
  In countries with a richer lower quartile (basically the Nordics) most people eat this way.
- Izikiel43 8mo ago
  > The fresh kind from the grocery store bakery with no preservatives costs more and goes bad faster. Lesson #1 when you become an adult, bread goes into the freezer when you get home so that it doesn't go bad.
  - chneu 8mo ago
    Whenever food stuff comes up it becomes very apparent that most people are super ignorant about food prep. I get the vibe it's mostly on purpose so folks don't have to prep food and can just order stuff or buy cheap. Idk, but it's very normalized nowadays to know absolutely nothing about cooking/baking. Its a weird status symbol thing, maybe? I'm not saying folks make a conscious decision to never learn how to cook or food prep. I mean as a society, there are constant excuses given to us. Over time more and more people fall victim to saying no to learning. This reinforces itself, "everytime I try something I fail", so folks never learn. It's sad to see how widespread this mentality is. We trade our skills for convenience then complain when we have no skills and the convenience has worn off.
TheAdamist 8mo ago
Tofu is heavily processed, try again.
- TSiege 8mo ago
  Tofu is considered processed food, not ultra processed
- esperent 8mo ago
  Tofu is processed, just like butter, cheese, flour, sugar. Even milk is in a similar category if it's been pasteurized and homogenized. This is markedly different category to ultraprocessed though.
- TacoCommander 8mo ago
  A good proxy is looking at the number of ingredients. The fewer, the better.

Go to your grocery store and see if they have half and half or whipping cream with just milk and cream as ingredients. At lot of grocery stores I've been to don't have any cream it's a recipe with cream guar gum and a few other ingredients. They shouldn't be able to call that recipe the same name "cream". My point is even trying to just buy these ingredients is itself complicated

massysett 8mo ago
This isn’t hard at all. Didn’t take me three minutes. It’s even a major brand available at a variety of US supermarkets. It’s not niche or “organic”. https://giantfood.com/product/land-o-lakes-half-half-cream-1-quart/128899 https://giantfood.com/product/land-o-lakes-half-half-cream-1...
- bri3k 8mo ago
  I don’t buy half and half cream very often. I did not know that for a basic product they were selling items that aren’t just milk and cream. Ignorance on my part? Sure, but there is over a hundred different things I buy. It would be doing a audit everytime I go shopping.
  - chneu 8mo ago
    You go shopping thousands of times in your life. Spend 10 seconds reading a label. Holy crap people are lazy and entitled. You want your hand held and all the conveniences in the world so you don't have to read a label or buy a vegetable.
    - bri3k 8mo ago
      Yeah, the label says half milk half cream.
  - TacoCommander 8mo ago
    >> doing a audit everytime I go shopping Well, yes. You should be thinking about what you purchase and what goes into your body. Once a product is vetted, you should be able to keep buying it with only periodic refresher checks at the ingredients.
    - wppick 8mo ago
      Even if it says milk the quality still depends on what they fed the cow that produced the milk. How much Palm oil was in the cows diet and what effect does that have on the milk. Even things like was the milk taken from an infected/inflamed utter?

dangus 8mo ago

Simple in theory, snobby in practice. Making food from scratch is a time luxury. It often benefits from good/expensive kitchen equipment unless you want to spend even more time and labor. Let’s take bread as an example. I can buy it from the store for a dollar or two pre-sliced with preservatives and processing, or I can make it myself, which doesn’t really save any money. The fresh kind from the grocery store bakery with no preservatives costs more and goes bad faster. I work two part time hourly jobs and my only way to keep up on bills is to pull extra hours. When am I getting extra time to bake bread? How am I getting extra money to buy a $300 stand mixer to make baking bread less painful? Who is educating me to do all this when the industry has lobbied to keep ingredient disclosures confined to tiny fine print with no industry requirement to prominently display negative health aspects? It’s not like my grade school taught me this because I grew up in the wrong zip code. For example, the sugar cereal has fun characters and colors at eye level of children and it has a bunch of advertising copy on it that makes nearly-false claims of its health benefits. But you’re saying “just don’t buy those foods” when trusted institutions are telling us the opposite. We can also talk organic reduced pesticide vegetables, which cost more. Want to buy eggs from chickens that weren’t abused? Costs twice as much. Milk from cows that are farmed responsibly? Costs twice as much.

rienbdj 8mo ago
In countries with a richer lower quartile (basically the Nordics) most people eat this way.
Izikiel43 8mo ago
> The fresh kind from the grocery store bakery with no preservatives costs more and goes bad faster. Lesson #1 when you become an adult, bread goes into the freezer when you get home so that it doesn't go bad.
- chneu 8mo ago
  Whenever food stuff comes up it becomes very apparent that most people are super ignorant about food prep. I get the vibe it's mostly on purpose so folks don't have to prep food and can just order stuff or buy cheap. Idk, but it's very normalized nowadays to know absolutely nothing about cooking/baking. Its a weird status symbol thing, maybe? I'm not saying folks make a conscious decision to never learn how to cook or food prep. I mean as a society, there are constant excuses given to us. Over time more and more people fall victim to saying no to learning. This reinforces itself, "everytime I try something I fail", so folks never learn. It's sad to see how widespread this mentality is. We trade our skills for convenience then complain when we have no skills and the convenience has worn off.

TheAdamist 8mo ago

Tofu is heavily processed, try again.

TSiege 8mo ago
Tofu is considered processed food, not ultra processed
esperent 8mo ago
Tofu is processed, just like butter, cheese, flour, sugar. Even milk is in a similar category if it's been pasteurized and homogenized. This is markedly different category to ultraprocessed though.
TacoCommander 8mo ago
A good proxy is looking at the number of ingredients. The fewer, the better.