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"Unlawfully scanning license plates"? What does that even mean? Like searching a vehicle database? That's available to all sorts of people, like auto body repa
by derbOac 9mo ago
"Unlawfully scanning license plates"? What does that even mean?
Like searching a vehicle database? That's available to all sorts of people, like auto body repair shops.
Taking a photo of a license plate? Nothing illegal about that.
- andreygrehov 9mo agoYou're confusing 'seeing a license plate' with 'querying restricted databases'. Taking a photo is legal. Running plates through law-enforcement/ALPR systems is not, and auto body shops don't have that access. Real-time identification != observation - it implies unauthorized data access.
- paganel 9mo ago> through law-enforcement/ALPR systems Were they doing that? I haven't read the article, that's why I'm asking.
- andreygrehov 9mo agohttps://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/minnesota-signal-gate-did-lt-134523155.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/minnesota-signal-gate-di...
- janalsncm 9mo agoI don’t see anything there about querying license plate databases. There is a spreadsheet of donors to some kind of organization.
- andreygrehov 9mo agohttps://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093635096658172 https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093635096658172 Also, what is the outrage about? This administration has deported the least number of people compared to all previous administrations. Obama deported 3.1 million people, ten times more than Trump today. Same ICE, same border patrol.
- rhcom2 9mo agoIt literally say it is a crowdsourced list... a completely legal activity. If you can't figure out what the outrage is about after Alex Pretti and Renée Good then you're being intentionally obtuse.
- andreygrehov 9mo ago1. The outrage had been there prior to their death. 2. Their death is the outcome of the outrage.
- rhcom2 9mo agoTheir deaths are an outcome of the heavy handed immigration enforcement that has caused the outrage. The raw number of deportations is not the only metric. The enforcement tactics of the Obama admin are not the same as Trump's, this is obvious and incontrovertible. You don't have to agree with the criticisms but to not even be able to understand why people are upset stretches believability.
- andreygrehov 9mo agoDuh... You're still collapsing cause and context. The protests preceded the deaths; the deaths occurred during confrontations created by the protests. That makes them an outcome of escalation, not the original trigger. And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody (https://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/sites/default/files/reports/Fatal%20Neglect%20ACLU-DWN-NIJC.pdf https://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/sites/default/files/re...) with nowhere near this level of outrage. What changed is media framing and amplification, not the existence of harsh enforcement.
- rhcom2 9mo agoIt doesn't have to be the original trigger, you asked "what is the outrage about?" and those deaths are part of it. > And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody You continuously ask this same question, get an answer, and ignore it. ICE enforcement was not the same under Obama and Trump even if Obama had high deportation numbers. The deaths in that report were from medical issues or neglect. Horrible, absolutely, but not shootings, not American citizens, and not protesters. Maybe instead of assuming everyone is a stooge that can only do what the media tells them, consider they may actually have some legitimate grievances?
- plorg 9mo agoI don't know what they think they're doing there. If the most interesting thing they found was the public website leading to a fundraising platform for mutual aid a) there is literally nothing illegal there, and b) you can find that website linked to publicly by conservatively 25% of the twin cities population. It's literally the most prominent fundraising website anyone has been posting.
- andreygrehov 9mo agoWrong. The "protesters" were conducting counterintelligence to locate where ICE was operating. The plan was to disrupt the operation. Like it or not, this is against the law. Period.
- plorg 9mo agoI know you want to frame it a different way, but the articles you are posting don't describe anything that's illegal.
- andreygrehov 9mo agoI'm not framing anything. There are screenshots of the chats where people literally say "ICE vehicle has been identified, everybody, go there!". This is called interfering.
- plorg 9mo agoThe "interfering" this are describing is your framing. You want it to be interference in a legally actionable way, but it simply isn't.
- andreygrehov 9mo ago18 U.S.C. § 111 - Assaulting, resisting, impeding officers (including federal agents) 18 U.S.C. § 1505 - Obstruction of Federal Officers (this includes ICE itself - obstructing or interfering with an ICE arrest is a crime) 18 U.S.C. § 118 - Obstructing, resisting, or interfering with federal protective functions
- plorg 9mo agoJournalists doing ride alongs have already identified the system and it doesn't really on "restricted databases", they rely on observation and multiple attestation. In any case, there are indeed commercial services for looking up license plate data, and they rely on watching the notices that are published when you register your vehicle. It's the same reason why you receive all sorts of scammy warranty "notices" when you buy a car. In fact the first clue that they look for is having Illinois Permanent plates because that is a strong indicator that they are using rental vehicles. That doesn't take a database, it's just a strong signal that can be confirmed by other evidence.
- andreygrehov 9mo agoDo federal agents rent their vehicles?
- plorg 9mo agoThe crowd sourced lists don't identify the owners of the vehicles, because that does not matter. They identify vehicles that ICE is using, and "likely a rental" is one good signal.
- rhcom2 9mo agoThere is no evidence of this at all.
- andreygrehov 9mo agoThere is enough smoke to at least perform an investigation. As I said, this administration has deported 10x less people than the previous administrations.
- germinalphrase 9mo agoYou seem quite narrowly focused on the number of deportations rather than the methods being implemented. The primary criticisms of the current ICE surge in Minnesota focus on the general aggressiveness and lack of professionalism of these agents, not the deportations numbers.
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- anigbrowl 9mo agoIf that was what you meant, you should have said that. Do you have any actual evidence this is happening, or are you just confusing possibility with probability?
- zahlman 9mo ago> If that was what you meant, you should have said that. I think the choice of the verb "scanning" indicated it clearly enough.
- anigbrowl 9mo agoPerhaps for you. This word is equally applicable to visual observation.
- tptacek 9mo agoI don't buy the claim that it's happening, but they were pretty clearly talking about the lookups, not the photos. They started off by mentioning "insiders".