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Which breakthroughs, specifically? There are no Chinese institutions pumping out nobel prizes. Zero.

by krona 8mo ago

triceratops 8mo ago
10 years ago were no Chinese companies pumping out world-class cars either. But here we are.
- krona 8mo ago
  I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to.
  - dragontamer 8mo ago
    Geely owns Volvo and IIRC a significant portion of Volvos are Chinese made now. There's a number of companies or brands that are now Chinese owned. China knows that home grown brands (like Geely) don't work on an international stage, so they buy well known brands like Volvo. It's a bit of a silent behind the scenes takeover but I'd say that China is now seriously making competitive cars. If you can follow the brands and notice.
    - kelipso 8mo ago
      Lol, the fully homegrown BYD is destroying Tesla everywhere outside the US where it’s basically banned and you’re taking about Geely and Volvo and behind the scenes. It’s all out there on the stage.
      - dragontamer 8mo ago
        I don't really give a shit about Tesla though. Or BYD for that matter. By my eye, Volvo / Geely cars are the most impressive.
        kelipso 8mo ago
        I don’t really give a shit about your opinion though. It’s just objective fact that BYD along with Tesla are world class cars and therefore they should be the main discussion point here.
        dragontamer 8mo ago
        > It’s just objective fact that BYD along with Tesla are world class cars World class propaganda maybe. Cars definitely not. I'll give China the Volvo brand. I can see the quality difference at any car show. I remember seeing some other nice looking Chinese cars but BYD (and Tesla for that matter) are objectively awful.
        kelipso 8mo ago
        They’re still world class cars as they sell well everywhere in the world. The quality compared to some other smaller brands are not really important criteria in that context.
    - insane_dreamer 8mo ago
      Geely is Volvo's parent company but Volvo still designs and manufactures its cars. Geely gets to benefit from Volvo technology for its own Chinese brands. Just like Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover but it doesn't mean India is "pumping out world-class cars". I left China in 2017 so my info is a little dated but unless there was a _giant_ leap in quality I wouldn't trust a Chinese car any more than I trust other Chinese products (products made to spec in China is a different matter altogether). And when I was there anyone in China who could afford a foreign brand wasn't buying Chinese brands either. It's not that Chinese are incapable of making great products, but cutting corners and crappy customer service is deeply embedded into their business culture. Things are changing but there's still a long way to go.
      - Aqua0 8mo ago
        You can't buy $100 worth of merchandise for 1 penny. It's the manufacturer's principal's bid and proposed criteria that are key. There are still a lot of third world populations in the world that need low quality, low price shit. Including parts of the U.S. population.
        insane_dreamer 8mo ago
        > It's the manufacturer's principal's bid and proposed criteria that are key. Agreed. And Chinese brands are, on the whole, more concerned with cost than quality. Things are made to look shiny on the outside with a great "spec list", but are crap on the inside.
ForHackernews 8mo ago
https://www.nature.com/nature-index/news/nature-index-research-leaders-chinese-institutions-dominate https://www.nature.com/nature-index/news/nature-index-resear... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edit: Oh, that's old. In 2024 Chinese institutions only made up 7 of the top 10 most productive research centers but in 2025 they are account for 8/10: https://www.natureasia.com/en/info/press-releases/detail/9110 https://www.natureasia.com/en/info/press-releases/detail/911...
- krona 8mo ago
  That's a volume based index, not impact, thus reinforcing my point.
sheikhnbake 8mo ago
Idk man, i dont keep a list of China's breakthroughs handy. You can find the same results on google that I can. And I wasn't aware that breakthroughs needed to be nobel laureate worthy at a minimum to still be considered breakthroughs.

Which breakthroughs, specifically? There are no Chinese institutions pumping out nobel prizes. Zero.

by krona 8mo ago

Which breakthroughs, specifically? There are no Chinese institutions pumping out nobel prizes. Zero.

triceratops 8mo ago

10 years ago were no Chinese companies pumping out world-class cars either. But here we are.

krona 8mo ago
I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to.
- dragontamer 8mo ago
  Geely owns Volvo and IIRC a significant portion of Volvos are Chinese made now. There's a number of companies or brands that are now Chinese owned. China knows that home grown brands (like Geely) don't work on an international stage, so they buy well known brands like Volvo. It's a bit of a silent behind the scenes takeover but I'd say that China is now seriously making competitive cars. If you can follow the brands and notice.
  - kelipso 8mo ago
    Lol, the fully homegrown BYD is destroying Tesla everywhere outside the US where it’s basically banned and you’re taking about Geely and Volvo and behind the scenes. It’s all out there on the stage.
    - dragontamer 8mo ago
      I don't really give a shit about Tesla though. Or BYD for that matter. By my eye, Volvo / Geely cars are the most impressive.
      - kelipso 8mo ago
        I don’t really give a shit about your opinion though. It’s just objective fact that BYD along with Tesla are world class cars and therefore they should be the main discussion point here.
        dragontamer 8mo ago
        > It’s just objective fact that BYD along with Tesla are world class cars World class propaganda maybe. Cars definitely not. I'll give China the Volvo brand. I can see the quality difference at any car show. I remember seeing some other nice looking Chinese cars but BYD (and Tesla for that matter) are objectively awful.
        kelipso 8mo ago
        They’re still world class cars as they sell well everywhere in the world. The quality compared to some other smaller brands are not really important criteria in that context.
  - insane_dreamer 8mo ago
    Geely is Volvo's parent company but Volvo still designs and manufactures its cars. Geely gets to benefit from Volvo technology for its own Chinese brands. Just like Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover but it doesn't mean India is "pumping out world-class cars". I left China in 2017 so my info is a little dated but unless there was a _giant_ leap in quality I wouldn't trust a Chinese car any more than I trust other Chinese products (products made to spec in China is a different matter altogether). And when I was there anyone in China who could afford a foreign brand wasn't buying Chinese brands either. It's not that Chinese are incapable of making great products, but cutting corners and crappy customer service is deeply embedded into their business culture. Things are changing but there's still a long way to go.
    - Aqua0 8mo ago
      You can't buy $100 worth of merchandise for 1 penny. It's the manufacturer's principal's bid and proposed criteria that are key. There are still a lot of third world populations in the world that need low quality, low price shit. Including parts of the U.S. population.
      - insane_dreamer 8mo ago
        > It's the manufacturer's principal's bid and proposed criteria that are key. Agreed. And Chinese brands are, on the whole, more concerned with cost than quality. Things are made to look shiny on the outside with a great "spec list", but are crap on the inside.

ForHackernews 8mo ago

https://www.nature.com/nature-index/news/nature-index-research-leaders-chinese-institutions-dominate https://www.nature.com/nature-index/news/nature-index-resear... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edit: Oh, that's old. In 2024 Chinese institutions only made up 7 of the top 10 most productive research centers but in 2025 they are account for 8/10: https://www.natureasia.com/en/info/press-releases/detail/9110 https://www.natureasia.com/en/info/press-releases/detail/911...

krona 8mo ago
That's a volume based index, not impact, thus reinforcing my point.

sheikhnbake 8mo ago

Idk man, i dont keep a list of China's breakthroughs handy. You can find the same results on google that I can. And I wasn't aware that breakthroughs needed to be nobel laureate worthy at a minimum to still be considered breakthroughs.