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Google DeepMind Staffers Ask Leaders to Keep Them 'Physically Safe' from ICE
- tokyobreakfast 9mo ago[flagged]
- dpc050505 9mo agohttps://archive.is/GYoyc https://archive.is/GYoyc to get around the paywall
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- im3w1l 9mo ago> Google’s head of security and risk operations responded to [a message about an incident] to clarify what had happened. They noted that an “officer arrived at reception without notice” and that the agent was “not granted entry because they did not have a warrant and promptly left.” This seems like a very reasonable way to handle it. Edit: Disclosure: I'm not an American.
- pavel_lishin 9mo agoTelling the police to come back with a warrant sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't. And these guys aren't the police.
- motbus3 9mo agoWhy did he go there without a warranty in the first place? Was he following someone who entered the building? Would that be weird similar to the weird mustached guy from the 40s?
- Refreeze5224 9mo agoICE has been going around without judicial, as opposed to administrative, warrants, relying on threats and coercion to be let in and to arrest people. That's what this probably is.
- moralestapia 9mo agoThe story doesn't make sense, tbh ... One single guy. What was he supposed to do after they let him in? Just start asking people about their legal status? I doubt Google has many illegal immigrants working there ... I doubt there's even one. Then this guy finds them, allegedly, does he just arrests them and take them out the building? All by himself? With all the cameras and phones on the planet recording it? Inside Google, from all places? It just doesn't make sense. From the article: >Google’s top brass—including CEO Sundar Pichai and DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis—have remained silent on Pretti’s killing even inside the company, sources say. Why would they, though?
- xp84 9mo agoI agree, I don't need to hear my CEO's opinions on whatever controversy is big today. Run the company, focus on that.
- pavel_lishin 9mo agoI'd like to hear my CEO say that he won't allow goons into the building to drag me away to a concentration camp.
- moralestapia 9mo agoThere's not much a CEO can do about that ... (nor it should).
- watwut 9mo agoCEO are among the few people who can actually do something about that.
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- amanaplanacanal 9mo agoThe thing is, they are required to have a warrant, but I don't believe they are required to show you the warrant. In which case what exactly should they do?
- throw_away_8080 9mo agoNot a lawyer, but I think this is common knowledge: They are required to not only show it but provide a copy of the warrant on request. Furthermore the warrants are scoped, if the warrant specifies searching for firearms and the search your hard drive it can't be used in court unless you verbally allow it. Don't resist, but don't consent.
- mullingitover 9mo agoThere was a recent secret internal ICE memo stating that they determined they were free to essentially engage in unconstitutional home invasions[1]. If they decided to batter down the doors at Google there is nothing stopping them. The only thing keeping them in check is the courts, and that practically operates in geologic timeframes compared to the rate they are breaking laws. [1] https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-trump-00d0ab0338e82341fd91b160758aeb2d https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-...
- mc32 9mo agoThat’s where they will use an “administrative warrant” to arrest someone with a final order of removal. So not citizens’ houses but one where someone is in the country illegally with a final order of removal.
- tekla 9mo agoDespite the word "warrant" being present, an “administrative warrant” does not allow law enforcement to enter private property. If they find a illegal immigrant on public streets, they can be detained, but still cannot enter a private residence (even if occupied by an illegal immigrant) as it would violate the 4th amendment.
- dragonwriter 9mo ago> Despite the word "warrant" being present, an “administrative warrant” does not allow law enforcement to enter private property. Even an actual judicial arrest warrant doesn't (legally) allow them to enter private party on suspicion that the target might be there. Search is a separate thing from seizure, and you need a judicial search warrant to search a private residence or the non-public areas of a business for a person, no matter what authority you might have to arrest them should you find them.
- mc32 9mo agoThat makes sense. But that raises a separate unrelated question; how do bailbondsmen seem to be able to take their targets in, are they violating the law or are criminals gullible or something else?
- roryirvine 9mo agoIt's pretty common to treat unauthorised entry attempts as a serious security incident. The minimum follow-up actions I'd expect would be filing a police report, sending all-staff emails reminding people to be on the lookout for tailgaters, and reviewing security at reception. If there was a specific risk of ongoing intrusion attempts, then I'd also expect legal action (eg. injunctions or restraining orders) to be taken in mitigation. It's perfectly reasonable for staff to want to seek assurance that those sort of basic measures to ensure their safety are underway.
- Ancalagon 9mo agoGreat job Sundar, way to stand on the wrong stage.
- knowitnone3 9mo agoI don't believe Google would is hiring illegal immigrants.
- kingstnap 9mo agoThe two people recently killed in Minneapolis were both US citizens.
- xp84 9mo ago[flagged]
- watwut 9mo agoThey were both engaged in legal and literally otherwise safe behavior. The only chaotic element there was ICE - in both cases initiating unnecessary violence. To make political point of terrorizing the citizens.
- sjoedev 9mo agoAlex Pretti escalated the situation? Have you seen the video? Did you see how the ICE agent shoved that woman? That was not “law enforcement activity.” It was assault. Alex Pretti had every right to be there, and he tried to help a woman who was being physically and illegally assaulted. > I haven't heard of ICE hurting any actual immigrants in custody https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/detained-immigrants-detail-physical-abuse-and-inhumane-conditions-at-largest-immigration-detention-center-in-the-u-s https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/detained-immigra...
- xp84 9mo agoRe: Minnesota - Everyone out there escalated the situation. Detaining people could be a very boring process, and I haven't seen any footage of any of the detained people starting any fights. Seems like it's mostly leftist white "heroes" running around. I fully agree that it's terrible that those people have been shot to death by ICE officers, pretty much regardless of anything. But what I'm asking is what they're even doing out there? Why do it? It seems more like these protests are not about the specific individuals being detained, but a cool group activity to engage in now, so what makes all illegal immigrants, who respect our country so little that their first interaction with it is to sneak in, automatically deserving of being shielded from the consequences of their own actions? Re: ACLU - it's interesting that it seems like all those who are claiming harm are Mexicans who were given the choice to go back home to Mexico but refused. (If their claims are true, those officers should be punished and fired, but also can you think of any good reasons for detainees to lie about this if they're desperate to be allowed to stay?) Should the US admit all 130 million Mexicans as refugees, just on the grounds that Mexico is allegedly so bad? Or only the ones who break the law and come here? I'll support accountability for ICE officers who do bad things all day, but it seems like the leftist goal posts are "Don't have immigration officers exist at all, and don't let local law enforcement even consider helping get people deported" and that's why people think Dems want open borders.
- juliusceasar 9mo agoUSA has turned into Iran and Israel. Murdering innocent people and lying about it.
- mc32 9mo agoYah like Ruby Ridge, Phila MOVE, Malheur, etc…
- rambojohnson 9mo ago100%
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- simianwords 9mo agoIts a bit strange why a single newsworthy incident with the ICE has GDM's attention in this manner? There has been no interaction between ICE and Google other than a single agent trying to enter and then leave.
- sinuhe69 9mo agoIt’s so hard to understand that the foreign staff are now afraid for their safety and their lives? After the killing of Pretti (execution is probably the more correct word), I guess even some US staff can not be so sure about what would happen to them. __“But are there not many fascists in your country?" "There are many who do not know – but will find it out when the time comes.”__
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- rsynnott 9mo agoI mean, I dunno, I live in a less, ah, exciting country than the US, so maybe standards are different, but "someone who works for an unaccountable paramilitary organisation that randomly kidnaps people and does the odd bit of murder, as a treat, tried to enter" seems _fairly_ alarming to me, even if it _was_ only once. There is, actually, a lot that Google can do here, in terms of making itself a hard target.
- iberator 9mo ago[flagged]
- fragmede 9mo agoIt's probably that whole "masked gangs randomly kidnapping people" angle that's got people on edge, doesn't matter who they voted for. That is to say, there's a very vocal contingent online that would lead you to believe that all Trump voters support everything that's happened and is happening and could possibly happen, but it's also not true. And also not everyone has forgotten about Epstein either. What's hilarious is the whispers among troops that were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. They never would have gotten away with the same shit that ICE is pulling. If your read is that it's "typically brutal", you may want to engage with, erm, the rules of engagement in more depth.
- xacky 9mo agoIf Google really cared they would ban ICE ip addresses from using Google services and stop ICE using Google Cloud. Google is a big enough company to force the issue, otherwise they secretly condone ICE.
- michelb 9mo agoKowtowing to this administration seems to be the cost of doing business now.
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- novia 9mo ago[flagged]