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If they could arrest people for what they've been doing, they would have already arrested people. And they have arrested a few here and there for "assault" (thi

If they could arrest people for what they've been doing, they would have already arrested people. And they have arrested a few here and there for "assault" (things like daring to react when being shoved by an annoyed officer), but the thing that's really pissing DHS off is that the protesters and observers are not breaking the law.

ruined 9mo ago
one person walking away from a police encounter doesn't mean police think that person did not break the law. prosecutors may take their time and file charges at their leisure.
- JohnFen 9mo ago
  That may be true in the abstract (although it doesn't matter if the cops think you're breaking the law. What matters is whether or not a judge does). However, neither Border patrol nor ICE have been exhibiting thoughtfulness or patience, so I doubt they're playing any such long game.
missingcolours 9mo ago
Remember that most of the participants in J6 walked away and were later rounded up and arrested across the country once the FBI had collected voluminous digital and surveillance evidence to support prosecution.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  That was a different, Biden's, FBI
  - missingcolours 9mo ago
    Yeah, and I wouldn't bet money on this happening for that reason. But it is possible.
- SR2Z 9mo ago
  Fortunately for us (or really unfortunately for us) most of the competent FBI agents have been fired or quit, with the new bar simply being loyalty to the president. The FBI is weak now compared to what it was even two years ago.
  - mikkupikku 9mo ago
    Most are probably just keeping their heads down, trying to wait out this administration. When you're in that kind of cushy career track, you'd have to be very dumb or very selfless to give it up.
- spankalee 9mo ago
  The J6 insurrectionists committed real crimes, and it's very good that they were rounded up, but afaiu most of the evidence had to do with them provably assaulting officers, damaging property, and breaking into a government building. Not that they messaged other people when they were legally demonstrating before the Capital invasion. The real protection for the legal protesters and observers in MN is numbers. They can't arrest and control and entire populace.
  - missingcolours 9mo ago
    People were also charged for coordinating and supporting J6 without being there, e.g. Enrique Tarrio of the "Proud Boys" was charged with seditious conspiracy based on activity in messaging apps. If people in these Signal chats were aware that people were using force to inhibit federal law enforcement, which some of the leaked training materials suggest is most likely true and easy to prove, and there are messages showing their support or coordination of those actions, I assume they could face the same charges.
    - spankalee 9mo ago
      They had a lot more than metadata on Enrique Tarrio.
      - missingcolours 9mo ago
        Right, usually law enforcement gets chat logs from a participant (search warrant for a phone, informants, undercover FBI agents, etc) and uses the metadata to connect messages to a real person's identity.

ruined 9mo ago

one person walking away from a police encounter doesn't mean police think that person did not break the law. prosecutors may take their time and file charges at their leisure.

JohnFen 9mo ago
That may be true in the abstract (although it doesn't matter if the cops think you're breaking the law. What matters is whether or not a judge does). However, neither Border patrol nor ICE have been exhibiting thoughtfulness or patience, so I doubt they're playing any such long game.

missingcolours 9mo ago

Remember that most of the participants in J6 walked away and were later rounded up and arrested across the country once the FBI had collected voluminous digital and surveillance evidence to support prosecution.

direwolf20 9mo ago
That was a different, Biden's, FBI
- missingcolours 9mo ago
  Yeah, and I wouldn't bet money on this happening for that reason. But it is possible.
SR2Z 9mo ago
Fortunately for us (or really unfortunately for us) most of the competent FBI agents have been fired or quit, with the new bar simply being loyalty to the president. The FBI is weak now compared to what it was even two years ago.
- mikkupikku 9mo ago
  Most are probably just keeping their heads down, trying to wait out this administration. When you're in that kind of cushy career track, you'd have to be very dumb or very selfless to give it up.
spankalee 9mo ago
The J6 insurrectionists committed real crimes, and it's very good that they were rounded up, but afaiu most of the evidence had to do with them provably assaulting officers, damaging property, and breaking into a government building. Not that they messaged other people when they were legally demonstrating before the Capital invasion. The real protection for the legal protesters and observers in MN is numbers. They can't arrest and control and entire populace.
- missingcolours 9mo ago
  People were also charged for coordinating and supporting J6 without being there, e.g. Enrique Tarrio of the "Proud Boys" was charged with seditious conspiracy based on activity in messaging apps. If people in these Signal chats were aware that people were using force to inhibit federal law enforcement, which some of the leaked training materials suggest is most likely true and easy to prove, and there are messages showing their support or coordination of those actions, I assume they could face the same charges.
  - spankalee 9mo ago
    They had a lot more than metadata on Enrique Tarrio.
    - missingcolours 9mo ago
      Right, usually law enforcement gets chat logs from a participant (search warrant for a phone, informants, undercover FBI agents, etc) and uses the metadata to connect messages to a real person's identity.