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Most Americans are unaware of how China is collapsing. All news is censored.

by deadbabe 9mo ago

pjc50 9mo ago
You must have heard about it from somewhere? Some reliable third party intermediary that is neither US nor China?
- buildbot 9mo ago
  I haven’t heard anything about this but the claim appears to be mostly true - https://spectator.com/article/has-xi-jinping-fought-off-another-coup/?edition=us https://spectator.com/article/has-xi-jinping-fought-off-anot... The spectator is allegedly a reliable media source, I am not personally familiar.
  - techterrier 9mo ago
    It is not. It's a contrarian newspaper, gives some interesting folks a platform, but mostly cranks.
    - buildbot 9mo ago
      Is https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/ Wrong here? (I really don’t know, but it does seem that this info at least is coming from multiple places?)
      - techterrier 9mo ago
        It would be considered way on the right generally. To the right of the Telegraph, the main right wing broadsheet. It's a funny old magazine though, they really do get all sorts in there and print stuff that others wouldn't. It's entirely editorial though with huge biases. I'm glad it exists and read it often, but I'd go checking everything I read in it if I was after some facts.
        buildbot 9mo ago
        Thanks, good to know!
  - pjc50 9mo ago
    The Spectator is 99% opinion pieces. They're not somewhere I'd go for news. It all seems a bit unconfirmed sources. Zhang being purged is confirmed on the BBC and absolutely everywhere else, along with pointing out that there's been a "clean sweep" of senior PLA staff. The street violence seems a bit less corroborated. (by contrast, while the Daily Mail is absolutely terrible at opinion and domestic news, they seem to have some capacity left for doing overseas reporting that isn't just wire service, so if they report on overseas events you can be reasonably sure that something like that happened)
  - kipchak 9mo ago
    Given the details mentioned (9 guard deaths) the "unconfirmed reports" is probably referring to the x post[1] mentioned in the peoplenewstoday.com article. Personally word not somehow getting out of dozens of people being shot seems hard to believe, though not impossible. [1]https://x.com/ShengXue_ca/status/2015122407736963455 https://x.com/ShengXue_ca/status/2015122407736963455
  - wat10000 9mo ago
    "According to unconfirmed reports...." The question isn't whether to trust The Spectator, it's whether to trust this unconfirmed, unnamed source.
mc32 9mo ago
To be fair, I don’t think it’s as much collapsing as it’s having an internal party power struggle where the more authoritarian faction seems to have violently quelled a rebellion by one or two other factions.
aprentic 9mo ago
Can you share the supporting data? Gordon Chang has been making this prediction for almost a quarter century. Will it happen before or after the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world??

Most Americans are unaware of how China is collapsing. All news is censored.

pjc50 9mo ago

You must have heard about it from somewhere? Some reliable third party intermediary that is neither US nor China?

buildbot 9mo ago
I haven’t heard anything about this but the claim appears to be mostly true - https://spectator.com/article/has-xi-jinping-fought-off-another-coup/?edition=us https://spectator.com/article/has-xi-jinping-fought-off-anot... The spectator is allegedly a reliable media source, I am not personally familiar.
- techterrier 9mo ago
  It is not. It's a contrarian newspaper, gives some interesting folks a platform, but mostly cranks.
  - buildbot 9mo ago
    Is https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/ Wrong here? (I really don’t know, but it does seem that this info at least is coming from multiple places?)
    - techterrier 9mo ago
      It would be considered way on the right generally. To the right of the Telegraph, the main right wing broadsheet. It's a funny old magazine though, they really do get all sorts in there and print stuff that others wouldn't. It's entirely editorial though with huge biases. I'm glad it exists and read it often, but I'd go checking everything I read in it if I was after some facts.
      - buildbot 9mo ago
        Thanks, good to know!
- pjc50 9mo ago
  The Spectator is 99% opinion pieces. They're not somewhere I'd go for news. It all seems a bit unconfirmed sources. Zhang being purged is confirmed on the BBC and absolutely everywhere else, along with pointing out that there's been a "clean sweep" of senior PLA staff. The street violence seems a bit less corroborated. (by contrast, while the Daily Mail is absolutely terrible at opinion and domestic news, they seem to have some capacity left for doing overseas reporting that isn't just wire service, so if they report on overseas events you can be reasonably sure that something like that happened)
- kipchak 9mo ago
  Given the details mentioned (9 guard deaths) the "unconfirmed reports" is probably referring to the x post[1] mentioned in the peoplenewstoday.com article. Personally word not somehow getting out of dozens of people being shot seems hard to believe, though not impossible. [1]https://x.com/ShengXue_ca/status/2015122407736963455 https://x.com/ShengXue_ca/status/2015122407736963455
- wat10000 9mo ago
  "According to unconfirmed reports...." The question isn't whether to trust The Spectator, it's whether to trust this unconfirmed, unnamed source.

mc32 9mo ago

To be fair, I don’t think it’s as much collapsing as it’s having an internal party power struggle where the more authoritarian faction seems to have violently quelled a rebellion by one or two other factions.

aprentic 9mo ago

Can you share the supporting data? Gordon Chang has been making this prediction for almost a quarter century. Will it happen before or after the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world??