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> that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to The information is everywhere. Visit any news site, open any general social media feed, turn on
by Aurornis 10mo ago
> that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to
The information is everywhere. Visit any news site, open any general social media feed, turn on any TV. We’re discussing it right now in the front page of HN!
Everyone in the US has easy access to the same information. Acting like only the rest of the world has easy access to this information is ridiculous.
- bearjaws 10mo ago_you_ have access to it, for an increasingly large number of people TikTok is their only source of news. Same as Fox News or CNN, one news source. Censorship of TikTok is inevitable given the owners, and it will inevitably lead to a new news bubble.
- Aurornis 10mo agoI think you’re greatly overestimating the number of people who only use one social media platform and never check any other news source at all. TikTok users are also known for being experts at evading filters and censors. Remember the rising popularity of “unalived” when talk of suicide was filtered out on the platform? I’m not saying this ICE censorship is good, because it’s not! I’m saying it’s ridiculous to claim that only people in other countries have easy access to information.
- Forgeties79 10mo ago> I’m not saying this ICE censorship is good I hope not because it’s bad and that’s really all that matters in this conversation. And nitpicking whether or not there are other avenues for information is completely besides the point. I don’t even really understand what point you’re trying to make. If you think this is bad, then say it’s bad and we shouldn’t be ok with it. Saying “I’m not saying it’s good” then muddying the waters reads like you’re trying to defend the action.
- Aurornis 10mo ago> And nitpicking whether or not there are other avenues for information is completely besides the point That was literally the argument I was responding to and talking about.
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- Forgeties79 10mo agoI am not getting that from your previous comment but I’ll just assume I’m misreading it.
- Aurornis 10mo agoThis entire comment thread was me responding to someone claiming that people “in other countries” have easy access to information. Given the downvotes and angry responses I think a lot of people misinterpreted it as something else. I should learn to avoid comment sections about politics.
- Forgeties79 10mo agoI don’t think that’s the lesson here if you’re looking for one. I think it’s just a clarity/phrasing issue. If that’s not what you meant then that’s fine, no harm no foul as far as I’m concerned. I was just going off how I read it. If you’re looking for feedback, “I’m not saying…” without saying what you are saying generally comes off as obfuscating or at best wishy washy.
- insane_dreamer 10mo ago> I think you’re greatly overestimating the number of people who only use one social media platform and never check any other news source at all. When it comes to the _younger generation_, I don't think it's an over-estimation; they don't read news sites at all.
- Aurornis 10mo agoI was responding to a claim about people who use only one social media platform.
- 34679 10mo agoEveryone has easy access right now. Everyone had easier access before the TikTok deal. That's the wrong direction for a free country and it's particularly alarming because the deal was forced by the government.
- fcarraldo 10mo agoCensorship doesn’t become okay when it’s easy to work around it.
- Aurornis 10mo agoI’m not condoning censorship. It’s bad. I’m saying it’s silly hyperbole to make the leap to implying that only people in other countries have easy access to information. These absurd claims always turn into a game of motte and bailey when they’re called out, with retreats to safer claims. I’m talking about the original claim, that “people in other countries” have easy access to this information which we, in the US, see everywhere all the time right now (except TikTok apparently).
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- mrexcess 10mo ago>The information is everywhere. For those who know to look for it, sure. For those who do not already know it, discovery is increasingly challenged by the deliberately obscurant curators of the information space, who are oddly tightly and uniformly aligned with special interest groups openly declaring their intent to hide that information and punish dissemination thereof.
- baby_souffle 10mo agoThat information may be readily accessible but if it isn't on the screen you're currently engaged with, it may as well not exist.