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> Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. This is... a pretty confuse
by rsynnott 9mo ago
> Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it.
This is... a pretty confused view of history, really. Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, and consolidated power over the next year. At this point there was a lot of criticism of the regime, both internal and external. Things got rapidly worse after, of course, but there certainly was a period where the Nazis were in power but that there was public criticism.
Even as late as 1938, there was significant public discontent RE Kristallnacht in particular.
- joe_mamba 9mo ago>but that there was public criticism Every political party had public criticism before they could gain absolute power to silence that criticism.
- saubeidl 9mo agoExactly. You're disproving your own argument now.
- joe_mamba 9mo agoHow so? When I said "every political party" meaning including the ones under the liberal democratic umbrella.
- saubeidl 9mo agoYes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Thus, currently allowing some criticism is not enough to disprove the alleged march towards fascism. People with that viewpoint would argue that it's only allowed because power isn't consolidated enough yet.
- joe_mamba 9mo ago>Yes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Democrats/leftists/ANTIFA don't hate authoritarianism, They hate that they're not the ones in charge of dealing the authoritarianism on their opposition, as shown by the masked mob gestapo they set up in Minnesota doing "papers please, you're either with us or against us" on civilians passing by to confirm they hate ICE. If Kamala-Walz would have won the election, they would have done the same to Trump and friends in republican states, and you would have called it "justice for Nazis", not fascism ,which is the justification ANTIFA use when they beat up innocent people.
- filoeleven 9mo ago> as shown by the masked mob gestapo they set up in Minnesota doing "papers please, you're either with us or against us" on civilians passing by to confirm they hate ICE. [citation needed] Also even if true, there's a vast difference between a rando on the street asking those questions vs a government agent. That's assuming the government agent isn't too much of a pussy to identify himself instead of hiding behind a mask.
- joe_mamba 9mo ago>[citation needed] If I show you camera footage on X of this happening will you accept it in good faith or nitpick it on why it's not valid? >Also even if true, there's a vast difference between a rando on the street asking those questions vs a government agent. Ah classic, so even if it's happening, it's not a bad thing because an unelected unaccountable mob is doing it, just like in third world countries.
- filoeleven 9mo agoIf you show me the evidence, I will examine it. That may include examining the surrounding context if it's not blatantly obvious.
- saubeidl 9mo agoAntifa doesn't beat up innocent people, it does society a service by beating up fascists. It's in the name, antifascists. They rose from the fascism of the 20th century and have a proud history of fighting the original Nazis. God bless them for carrying on the good fight!
- rsynnott 9mo agoHitler had absolute power by 1934. Public dissent wasn't really entirely quashed until the war.