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> people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime Iranian who left Iran here. Do you have stats or referen

> people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime Iranian who left Iran here. Do you have stats or reference for this critical piece of information? It’s as if someone’s says, since Bangladesh is predominantly muslim, the majority aligns with what the Islamic regime does for ideological reasons and would try to undermine the account of atrocities. But one shouldn’t believe this before seeing some polls, stats, etc.

int_19h 9mo ago
Anecdotally this does seem to be true in US. I know several Iranians in US, from completely different social circles, but all of them strongly anti-clerical and not shy about it. Also, as a Russian who left Russia, it's certainly a familiar pattern. Note, by the way, that this doesn't really imply anything about whether those people are wrong to be antagonistic.
- MSFT_Edging 9mo ago
  > Also, as a Russian who left Russia I've noticed there's two distinct 20th century Russian diaspora groups in the US. Those who came here prior to the fall of the USSR, and those who came after. In talking with the ones who came after the fall, life wasn't glamorous but got truly unlivable in the wake of the collapse. In talking with the ones who came before the fall, they wanted to make money.
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  - busterarm 9mo ago
    There's a group here, largely those expats kids in my experience, that swears they had things better back in Russia and ravenously consume Russian media. I used to encounter them a lot in Sheepshead Bay.
    - MisterTea 9mo ago
      > I used to encounter them a lot in Sheepshead Bay. My friend is one but wasn't always like that. He was never critical of Russia or the USA and was pretty quiet until befriending some Russian dude in his apt building during the blackout of hurricane Sandy. Now he frequently criticizes and rants about capitalist USA then sings praise of Russia. We keep telling him to go back but he doesn't. He's unfortunately "that guy" in our group of friends now -_-
    - int_19h 9mo ago
      Most immigration in 00-10s was economical, and yes, for that group of people it's often the case that they are very much still enmeshed in Russian imperial agitprop. It's common enough that there are memes about this: https://lurkmore.media/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%9F%D1%91%D1%82%D1%80#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Petr_nostalgie.jpg https://lurkmore.media/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%... However there was a smallish wave of political immigration after the 2011 protests and 2014 conflict with Ukraine, and a much larger one since the invasion of Ukraine in 2022. And those people tend to be very anti-Russian-government for obvious reasons.
      - rayiner 9mo ago
        I really do not understand immigrants who still love their home country. I’m going to die 12 thousand miles away from where my ancestors are buried going back tens of thousands of years. After spending most of my life with ashy dry skin because I’m somewhere I’m not designed to be. All because my ancestors fucked everything up! Fuck those people.
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rayiner 9mo ago
> It’s as if someone’s says, since Bangladesh is predominantly muslim, the majority aligns with what the Islamic regime does for ideological reasons and would try to undermine the account of atrocities That’s true. Bangladeshi people strongly supported amending the constitution to make Islam the official religion. Islamization of the country has accelerated since we left, and now it looks like the Islamist parties will get a seat at the table in a coalition government.
- throwforthings 9mo ago
  My spouse (Bangladeshi) and I (not) went to a rally in Jackson Heights when the first protests were going on and we were surprised by how pro-Islamist the crowd leaned, from their signs and chants. We jumped on video with my in-laws at one point and they were even like "oh no you guys should leave, these young people are Islamists". It seems to be true across the Muslim world. My father is from North Africa, and any time we've been back there over the past decades it's very clear a large swath of the youth are embracing the more religious political movements.
  - rayiner 9mo ago
    I have family around Jackson Heights and one is reposting stuff from Jamaat-e-Islami (the main Islamist party) on FB. It’s very odd. I saw lots of younger Bangladeshis supporting the overthrow of the Awami League government (the most secular of the parties). I wasn’t sure if it was people who just didn’t realize it would leave a vacuum for Islamists, or or people who wanted that. It seems there’s some of both.
    - selimthegrim 9mo ago
      My boss was a BNP supporter (at one point I deduced) and regularly used to tell me that Chhatra league was as bad or worse than Shibir.
      - rayiner 9mo ago
        Growing up with my militantly secular dad, I've always been shocked to even meet BNP supporters in the wild.
BeetleB 9mo ago
I agree that actual studies would be good. All I can do is throw my anecdotes into the pool: I mostly have met two types of Iranians: Those that fled in the 80's post-revolution, and those that come to the US for university (90's, 00's, and 10's). All of them have been anti-regime. I have met a few that came for other reasons (not education and not the 80's stock). Yes, those are either pro-regime or neutral. My guess is that what rayiner says is correct: The majority of the Iranian diaspora in the US is self selecting and not representative of the full population.
- geraneum 9mo ago
  > The majority of the Iranian diaspora in the US is self selecting and not representative of the full population. My guess as well. As an Iranian outside of Iran, I see that my folk in Iran are way angrier, more disappointed, braver and determined against this injustice than I (we outside) am. It’s common sense.

int_19h 9mo ago

Anecdotally this does seem to be true in US. I know several Iranians in US, from completely different social circles, but all of them strongly anti-clerical and not shy about it. Also, as a Russian who left Russia, it's certainly a familiar pattern. Note, by the way, that this doesn't really imply anything about whether those people are wrong to be antagonistic.

MSFT_Edging 9mo ago
> Also, as a Russian who left Russia I've noticed there's two distinct 20th century Russian diaspora groups in the US. Those who came here prior to the fall of the USSR, and those who came after. In talking with the ones who came after the fall, life wasn't glamorous but got truly unlivable in the wake of the collapse. In talking with the ones who came before the fall, they wanted to make money.
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- busterarm 9mo ago
  There's a group here, largely those expats kids in my experience, that swears they had things better back in Russia and ravenously consume Russian media. I used to encounter them a lot in Sheepshead Bay.
  - MisterTea 9mo ago
    > I used to encounter them a lot in Sheepshead Bay. My friend is one but wasn't always like that. He was never critical of Russia or the USA and was pretty quiet until befriending some Russian dude in his apt building during the blackout of hurricane Sandy. Now he frequently criticizes and rants about capitalist USA then sings praise of Russia. We keep telling him to go back but he doesn't. He's unfortunately "that guy" in our group of friends now -_-
  - int_19h 9mo ago
    Most immigration in 00-10s was economical, and yes, for that group of people it's often the case that they are very much still enmeshed in Russian imperial agitprop. It's common enough that there are memes about this: https://lurkmore.media/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%9F%D1%91%D1%82%D1%80#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Petr_nostalgie.jpg https://lurkmore.media/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%... However there was a smallish wave of political immigration after the 2011 protests and 2014 conflict with Ukraine, and a much larger one since the invasion of Ukraine in 2022. And those people tend to be very anti-Russian-government for obvious reasons.
    - rayiner 9mo ago
      I really do not understand immigrants who still love their home country. I’m going to die 12 thousand miles away from where my ancestors are buried going back tens of thousands of years. After spending most of my life with ashy dry skin because I’m somewhere I’m not designed to be. All because my ancestors fucked everything up! Fuck those people.
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rayiner 9mo ago

> It’s as if someone’s says, since Bangladesh is predominantly muslim, the majority aligns with what the Islamic regime does for ideological reasons and would try to undermine the account of atrocities That’s true. Bangladeshi people strongly supported amending the constitution to make Islam the official religion. Islamization of the country has accelerated since we left, and now it looks like the Islamist parties will get a seat at the table in a coalition government.

throwforthings 9mo ago
My spouse (Bangladeshi) and I (not) went to a rally in Jackson Heights when the first protests were going on and we were surprised by how pro-Islamist the crowd leaned, from their signs and chants. We jumped on video with my in-laws at one point and they were even like "oh no you guys should leave, these young people are Islamists". It seems to be true across the Muslim world. My father is from North Africa, and any time we've been back there over the past decades it's very clear a large swath of the youth are embracing the more religious political movements.
- rayiner 9mo ago
  I have family around Jackson Heights and one is reposting stuff from Jamaat-e-Islami (the main Islamist party) on FB. It’s very odd. I saw lots of younger Bangladeshis supporting the overthrow of the Awami League government (the most secular of the parties). I wasn’t sure if it was people who just didn’t realize it would leave a vacuum for Islamists, or or people who wanted that. It seems there’s some of both.
  - selimthegrim 9mo ago
    My boss was a BNP supporter (at one point I deduced) and regularly used to tell me that Chhatra league was as bad or worse than Shibir.
    - rayiner 9mo ago
      Growing up with my militantly secular dad, I've always been shocked to even meet BNP supporters in the wild.

BeetleB 9mo ago

I agree that actual studies would be good. All I can do is throw my anecdotes into the pool: I mostly have met two types of Iranians: Those that fled in the 80's post-revolution, and those that come to the US for university (90's, 00's, and 10's). All of them have been anti-regime. I have met a few that came for other reasons (not education and not the 80's stock). Yes, those are either pro-regime or neutral. My guess is that what rayiner says is correct: The majority of the Iranian diaspora in the US is self selecting and not representative of the full population.

geraneum 9mo ago
> The majority of the Iranian diaspora in the US is self selecting and not representative of the full population. My guess as well. As an Iranian outside of Iran, I see that my folk in Iran are way angrier, more disappointed, braver and determined against this injustice than I (we outside) am. It’s common sense.