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Just leaving this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
by jdthedisciple 9mo ago
Just leaving this here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
- throwawayheui57 9mo agoFun fact, the clergy was a crucial part of the coup, backed by CIA. The same people in power now, btw.
- jdthedisciple 9mo agoFun fact, the same people who preach democracy to you all day, plotted and went about to oust one of the most democratically legitimate leaders of his country by night. Let that sink in for a moment.
- throwawayheui57 9mo agoI’m was under the impression that this was a well known fact. Let what sink in? What are you trying to say?
- echelon_musk 9mo agoJust busy being edgy I guess. There's nothing fun about the fact either.
- inglor_cz 9mo agoI am almost sure that every single person who plotted the 1953 coup is dead. Maybe one of them survives somewhere aged 103 and no longer knowing their name. Should Macron be judged by what Napoleon III. (or for that matter, I.) did? Surely there is some kind of continuity between those French heads of state, they even fly the some colors and sit in the same palace.
- jdthedisciple 9mo agoWhat makes you think the CIA/Mossad fundamentally operate differently today? Oh btw, since we're on the topic of false flags: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
- inglor_cz 9mo agoIt matters less than before. The US is no longer the dominant force it used to be in the 1950s, and the UK (which was part of the anti-Mossadegh plot) is completely gone from the world stage. The world of 2026 cannot be reduced to a CIA/Mossad theatre where everyone else is a NPC and must suffer whatever they cook up there. Other people have agency and do their things. EU, India, China, Iran, Russia, Qatar, all influential players.
- jdthedisciple 9mo agoWell, whatever you'd like to believe, of course.
- inglor_cz 9mo agoWhen it comes to value for money/size, Qatar alone has a lot more influence than the US. Recently it forced the EU to relax its ESG standards in exchange for gas imports. Sure some people love to live in the past, but it is not the past anymore, of course. Trump chickening out of every world confrontation is a nice example of the diminishing capability of the US to bend the rest of the world to its will. US can probably keep its influence in Latin America, but in the Old World, the balance of power has shifted. Is Trump de facto more powerful than Mohammad bin Salman? IDK.
- throwawayheui57 9mo agoBecause of the sheer incompetence and cruelty of the islamic regime I wonder if Mossad even need to do anything at this point. Islamic regime is doing their work for them to upset the population and destabilize the country. Did you think that running a dictatorship is a stable endeavor? No foreign intervention even needed when you build your house on sand.
- inglor_cz 9mo agoI never understood why some people get so fixated on one event in 1953, as if nothing else mattered after that. Sure, it had a nontrivial effect. But it also happened in a time when Stalin and Churchill were still alive, there were 6 billion people fewer on the planet and the first antibiotics and transistors barely entered production. Korea was poorer than Ghana etc. It is 2026, three generations have passed, and not everything can be explained and excused by a 1953 event forever. But it is convenient for autocracy advocates in general. It reminds me of the worship of the Great Patriotic War in Russia. Again, as if nothing that happened later matters.
- jdthedisciple 9mo agoThe question is, how can you be sure anything you see in the (controlled) news is not another instance of covert plots, false flags, and psyops [0]? How, precisely how? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...
- inglor_cz 9mo agoHow can I be sure that you aren't a bot or vice versa?
- jdthedisciple 9mo agoDon't worry, you're not the only person who can't answer this question. Nobody can, that I know of.
- inglor_cz 9mo agoI don't worry much here, given that HN isn't a very lucrative space to infest with bots. We will hold out for a few years here. I am no longer on Facebook or Twitter/X, where that question is very relevant.
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- Maken 9mo agoWhenever I see mentions of the protesters asking for the Sha to come back, I can't but to worry for the future of Iran even if the protests succeed.