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The fact that the codebase is meaningless drivel has already been established, you don’t need to defend them. It’s just pure slop, and they’re trying to get peo

The fact that the codebase is meaningless drivel has already been established, you don’t need to defend them. It’s just pure slop, and they’re trying to get people to believe that it’s a working browser. At the time he bragged about that `cargo build` didn’t even run! It was completely broken going back a hundred commits. So it was a complete lie to claim that it “kind of works”. You have a reputation. You don’t need to carry water for people who are misleading people to raise VC money. What’s the point of you language lawyering about the precise meaning of what he said? “No no, you don’t get it guys. I’m technically right if you look at the precise wording” is the kind of silly thing I do all the time. It’s not that important to be technically right. Let this one go.

simonw 9mo ago
Which part of their CEO saying "It kind of works" are you interpreting as "trying to get people to believe that it’s a working browser"? The reason I won't let this one go is that I genuinely believe people are being unfair to the engineer who built this, because some people will jump on ANY opportunity to "debunk" stories about AI. I won't stand for misleading rhetoric like "it's just a Servo wrapper" when that isn't true.
- blibble 9mo ago
  > I won't stand for misleading rhetoric like "it's just a Servo wrapper" when that isn't true. this level of outrage seems absent when it's misleading in the pro-"AI" direction
- sensanaty 9mo ago
  > "It kind of works" https://github.com/wilsonzlin/fastrender/issues/98 https://github.com/wilsonzlin/fastrender/issues/98 A project that didn't compile at all counts as "kind of" working now? > I won't stand for misleading rhetoric like "it's just a Servo wrapper" when that isn't true. True, at least if it was a wrapper then it would actually kind of work, unlike this which is the most obvious case of hyping lies up for investors I've witnessed in the last... Well, week or so, considering how much bullshit spews out of the mouths of AI bros.
  - simonw 9mo ago
    It did compile. It just didn't compile in GitHub Actions CI, since that wasn't correctly configured.
    - dispersed 9mo ago
      The linked GitHub issue has quotes from multiple people who were not able to compile it locally, not just in CI.
      - testdelacc1 9mo ago
        simonw has drunk the koolaid on this one. There’s no point trying to convince him. Relatedly, he made a prediction that AI would be able to write a web browser from scratch in 3 years. He really wants to see this happen, so maybe that’s why he’s defending these scammers.
    - thmlbvf 9mo ago
      It’s been fascinating, watching you go from someone who I could always turn into more sensible opinion about technology for the last 15 years, to a sellout whose every message drips with motivated reasoning.
      - simonw 9mo ago
        I feel like I spend way too much of my time arguing back against motivated reasoning from people. "This project is junk that doesn't even compile", for example.
        vidarh 9mo ago
        It's largely futile. There's a certain contingent that will not be convinced of this until they see what these tools can do first hand, and they'll refuse to try to do this properly until it's everywhere.

simonw 9mo ago

Which part of their CEO saying "It kind of works" are you interpreting as "trying to get people to believe that it’s a working browser"? The reason I won't let this one go is that I genuinely believe people are being unfair to the engineer who built this, because some people will jump on ANY opportunity to "debunk" stories about AI. I won't stand for misleading rhetoric like "it's just a Servo wrapper" when that isn't true.

blibble 9mo ago
> I won't stand for misleading rhetoric like "it's just a Servo wrapper" when that isn't true. this level of outrage seems absent when it's misleading in the pro-"AI" direction
sensanaty 9mo ago
> "It kind of works" https://github.com/wilsonzlin/fastrender/issues/98 https://github.com/wilsonzlin/fastrender/issues/98 A project that didn't compile at all counts as "kind of" working now? > I won't stand for misleading rhetoric like "it's just a Servo wrapper" when that isn't true. True, at least if it was a wrapper then it would actually kind of work, unlike this which is the most obvious case of hyping lies up for investors I've witnessed in the last... Well, week or so, considering how much bullshit spews out of the mouths of AI bros.
- simonw 9mo ago
  It did compile. It just didn't compile in GitHub Actions CI, since that wasn't correctly configured.
  - dispersed 9mo ago
    The linked GitHub issue has quotes from multiple people who were not able to compile it locally, not just in CI.
    - testdelacc1 9mo ago
      simonw has drunk the koolaid on this one. There’s no point trying to convince him. Relatedly, he made a prediction that AI would be able to write a web browser from scratch in 3 years. He really wants to see this happen, so maybe that’s why he’s defending these scammers.
  - thmlbvf 9mo ago
    It’s been fascinating, watching you go from someone who I could always turn into more sensible opinion about technology for the last 15 years, to a sellout whose every message drips with motivated reasoning.
    - simonw 9mo ago
      I feel like I spend way too much of my time arguing back against motivated reasoning from people. "This project is junk that doesn't even compile", for example.
      - vidarh 9mo ago
        It's largely futile. There's a certain contingent that will not be convinced of this until they see what these tools can do first hand, and they'll refuse to try to do this properly until it's everywhere.