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Why ban data centers. The push should be to build out more electricity generation capability.

erxam 9mo ago
Data centers are scarcely more than four walls, AC and a shit ton of equipment inside. By the time you finish building one power plant, 700 data centers have already popped up.
- dyauspitr 9mo ago
  Okay then that’s the new normal. Build out more generation. Do what China is doing with literally 100% redundancy from the baseload. Data centers are also not decentralized like you’re saying, the vast majority of these are large facilities that take significant time and resources to build. Around 50 were built last year and between 80-100 are under construction right now, not 700 overnight. With about 6 GW consumption or about 24 GW of solar if you consider 25% operation time. The US installs about 30 GW of solar per year currently so you can offset that pretty easily with just one year of just solar power buildout. We need to step up our game- China is building out 300 GW of solar every year.
  - erxam 9mo ago
    700 was an exaggeration for dramatic effect, but 50 built in one year is still an astounding number. > Do what China is doing The massive build-up they have is mostly renewables. Surely, you see the problems with that, right? Georgia is a red state, so it's political suicide to even hint at proposing that. Don't even mention nuclear, Vogtle took three thousand years to get somewhere. There's also the very important question of what benefit it will bring to the people living (and voting) nearby. A datacenter isn't exactly a massive job centre. I very much doubt they pay any significant taxes. The utilities companies get a fat paycheck and that's about it.
    - philipkglass 9mo ago
      The massive build-up they have is mostly renewables. Surely, you see the problems with that, right? Georgia is a red state, so it's political suicide to even hint at proposing that. Large scale solar power generation has more than doubled in Georgia since 2020: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/browser/#/topic/0?agg=1,0,2&fuel=004&geo=0000000g&sec=o3g&freq=A&start=2001&end=2024&ctype=linechart&ltype=pin&rtype=s&pin=&rse=0&maptype=0 https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/browser/#/topic/0?agg=1... Georgia is ranked 7th in the US for solar power capacity: https://seia.org/solar-state-by-state/ https://seia.org/solar-state-by-state/ Texas is number 2, behind only California. Solar power is popular in sunny states even if they're "red," though the most heated political rhetoric doesn't reflect that.
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      - erxam 9mo ago
        Huh, I didn't realize how far the build up had gone. Your second link is interesting, though, because it shows solar in Georgia took a nosedive in 2025. I've got a feeling that that year's data is much more representative of what it will look like in the next two or three decades than any historical trend might be.
      - jackdawipper 9mo ago
        I still really dont see how solar or wind power the future needs at all. surely nuclear is the only solution longer time. obviously it has to be made safe but why are wasting so much time and money on solar and wind that are demonstably not good for the environments they go into. at scale that is going to be felt because no, actually deserts are not "just empty spaces doing nothing" they have a huge knock on effect when changed either life within them, or how they feed the surrounding non-desert environments. Why is nuclear still the bogeyman when the sun is a nuclear event. cut out the middle man. surely.
        dyauspitr 9mo ago
        There’s movement around nuclear but it takes 10-15 years to build one plant and that’s for plants that are already tested. 15-20 for something new or experimental. Even China with all its rapid construction can’t build one in less than 8. We’re not offsetting anything with nuclear anytime soon. Solar plants take 3-6 months to get up and running. A combination of solar/renewables with nuclear is the best strategy over the long term.
shagie 9mo ago
One of the issues that comes up is that the "we're building a data center..." and then power in the area scales up to meet the anticipated demand. And then the data centers scale back how much they need or decide to not build there and now the local ratepayers are on the hook for the increased capacity that the utilities built out. The data center would be much more welcome (there are still issues) if they were to make sure that the locals aren't going to pay for unneeded power capacity.
- stevenwoo 9mo ago
  For others who don't know, this is detailed in this podcast. A change in the way new power generation is funded is starting to happen so the datacenters are more responsible for the costs of the added power plants so they cannot just pull out willy nilly, but in lieu of that, existing customers have had to pay for the power plants in spite of not benefiting in the slightest https://www.npr.org/2025/12/19/nx-s1-5649814/ai-data-center-electricity-bill https://www.npr.org/2025/12/19/nx-s1-5649814/ai-data-center-...
a456463 9mo ago
Sounds like you have never lived next to a datacenter where one was shoved in to your infra and jacking up your electricity cost and polluting your air and water. What if some one put a running car with the exhaust pointed into your living area without your knowledge and with nothing you can do about it? That's what these datacenters are. Might as well deal with that as the new normal and get along with the show.
- dyauspitr 9mo ago
  What exhaust exactly is coming out of servers and GPUs?
  - kasane_teto 9mo ago
    The power plants and gas turbines next to the data center.
    - dyauspitr 9mo ago
      So NIMBY type opposition to power generation.
  - estimator7292 9mo ago
    The jet engines producing power in the parking lot
nyc_data_geek 9mo ago
Because we need air to breathe and water to drink more than we need pictures of garfield with giant tits
- dyauspitr 9mo ago
  Nothing is happening to the air and water. They need electricity and we have clean ways of generating those.
  - nyc_data_geek 9mo ago
    Electricity generation causes emissions, which enter the air. Cooling consumes water, as does power generation. We are not generating this power using renewable energy. Have you looked out the window lately at what is actually happening?
    - dyauspitr 9mo ago
      Opposition to increasing electricity generation is wild. It’s regressive and frankly a recipe for disaster. Why don’t you direct your ire at someone more deserving like the current administration that’s opposing renewable energy.
      - nyc_data_geek 9mo ago
        I'm not against generating more electricity, I am against generating unnecessary emissions using obsolete combustion based mechanisms, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. The current administration is enforcing the use of these obsolete technologies, and the likes of Elon Musk are using things like gas turbines in clear contravention of the law in places like Tennessee to satisfy power demand for a thing no one really wants anyway, except the already wealthy who see it as an opportunity to eliminate labor costs and make everyone more pliable and stupid than they already are. It's worth noting that the same people profiting off the current AI bubble, are the same people donating a lot of time and money to elect and maintain this regime. Have you never heard of the network state? It is rather late in the day to play the fool. https://www.selc.org/press-release/musks-xai-explores-another-massive-methane-gas-turbine-installation-at-second-south-memphis-data-center/ https://www.selc.org/press-release/musks-xai-explores-anothe...

erxam 9mo ago

Data centers are scarcely more than four walls, AC and a shit ton of equipment inside. By the time you finish building one power plant, 700 data centers have already popped up.

dyauspitr 9mo ago
Okay then that’s the new normal. Build out more generation. Do what China is doing with literally 100% redundancy from the baseload. Data centers are also not decentralized like you’re saying, the vast majority of these are large facilities that take significant time and resources to build. Around 50 were built last year and between 80-100 are under construction right now, not 700 overnight. With about 6 GW consumption or about 24 GW of solar if you consider 25% operation time. The US installs about 30 GW of solar per year currently so you can offset that pretty easily with just one year of just solar power buildout. We need to step up our game- China is building out 300 GW of solar every year.
- erxam 9mo ago
  700 was an exaggeration for dramatic effect, but 50 built in one year is still an astounding number. > Do what China is doing The massive build-up they have is mostly renewables. Surely, you see the problems with that, right? Georgia is a red state, so it's political suicide to even hint at proposing that. Don't even mention nuclear, Vogtle took three thousand years to get somewhere. There's also the very important question of what benefit it will bring to the people living (and voting) nearby. A datacenter isn't exactly a massive job centre. I very much doubt they pay any significant taxes. The utilities companies get a fat paycheck and that's about it.
  - philipkglass 9mo ago
    The massive build-up they have is mostly renewables. Surely, you see the problems with that, right? Georgia is a red state, so it's political suicide to even hint at proposing that. Large scale solar power generation has more than doubled in Georgia since 2020: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/browser/#/topic/0?agg=1,0,2&fuel=004&geo=0000000g&sec=o3g&freq=A&start=2001&end=2024&ctype=linechart&ltype=pin&rtype=s&pin=&rse=0&maptype=0 https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/browser/#/topic/0?agg=1... Georgia is ranked 7th in the US for solar power capacity: https://seia.org/solar-state-by-state/ https://seia.org/solar-state-by-state/ Texas is number 2, behind only California. Solar power is popular in sunny states even if they're "red," though the most heated political rhetoric doesn't reflect that.
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    - erxam 9mo ago
      Huh, I didn't realize how far the build up had gone. Your second link is interesting, though, because it shows solar in Georgia took a nosedive in 2025. I've got a feeling that that year's data is much more representative of what it will look like in the next two or three decades than any historical trend might be.
    - jackdawipper 9mo ago
      I still really dont see how solar or wind power the future needs at all. surely nuclear is the only solution longer time. obviously it has to be made safe but why are wasting so much time and money on solar and wind that are demonstably not good for the environments they go into. at scale that is going to be felt because no, actually deserts are not "just empty spaces doing nothing" they have a huge knock on effect when changed either life within them, or how they feed the surrounding non-desert environments. Why is nuclear still the bogeyman when the sun is a nuclear event. cut out the middle man. surely.
      - dyauspitr 9mo ago
        There’s movement around nuclear but it takes 10-15 years to build one plant and that’s for plants that are already tested. 15-20 for something new or experimental. Even China with all its rapid construction can’t build one in less than 8. We’re not offsetting anything with nuclear anytime soon. Solar plants take 3-6 months to get up and running. A combination of solar/renewables with nuclear is the best strategy over the long term.

shagie 9mo ago

One of the issues that comes up is that the "we're building a data center..." and then power in the area scales up to meet the anticipated demand. And then the data centers scale back how much they need or decide to not build there and now the local ratepayers are on the hook for the increased capacity that the utilities built out. The data center would be much more welcome (there are still issues) if they were to make sure that the locals aren't going to pay for unneeded power capacity.

stevenwoo 9mo ago
For others who don't know, this is detailed in this podcast. A change in the way new power generation is funded is starting to happen so the datacenters are more responsible for the costs of the added power plants so they cannot just pull out willy nilly, but in lieu of that, existing customers have had to pay for the power plants in spite of not benefiting in the slightest https://www.npr.org/2025/12/19/nx-s1-5649814/ai-data-center-electricity-bill https://www.npr.org/2025/12/19/nx-s1-5649814/ai-data-center-...

a456463 9mo ago

Sounds like you have never lived next to a datacenter where one was shoved in to your infra and jacking up your electricity cost and polluting your air and water. What if some one put a running car with the exhaust pointed into your living area without your knowledge and with nothing you can do about it? That's what these datacenters are. Might as well deal with that as the new normal and get along with the show.

dyauspitr 9mo ago
What exhaust exactly is coming out of servers and GPUs?
- kasane_teto 9mo ago
  The power plants and gas turbines next to the data center.
  - dyauspitr 9mo ago
    So NIMBY type opposition to power generation.
- estimator7292 9mo ago
  The jet engines producing power in the parking lot

nyc_data_geek 9mo ago

Because we need air to breathe and water to drink more than we need pictures of garfield with giant tits

dyauspitr 9mo ago
Nothing is happening to the air and water. They need electricity and we have clean ways of generating those.
- nyc_data_geek 9mo ago
  Electricity generation causes emissions, which enter the air. Cooling consumes water, as does power generation. We are not generating this power using renewable energy. Have you looked out the window lately at what is actually happening?
  - dyauspitr 9mo ago
    Opposition to increasing electricity generation is wild. It’s regressive and frankly a recipe for disaster. Why don’t you direct your ire at someone more deserving like the current administration that’s opposing renewable energy.
    - nyc_data_geek 9mo ago
      I'm not against generating more electricity, I am against generating unnecessary emissions using obsolete combustion based mechanisms, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. The current administration is enforcing the use of these obsolete technologies, and the likes of Elon Musk are using things like gas turbines in clear contravention of the law in places like Tennessee to satisfy power demand for a thing no one really wants anyway, except the already wealthy who see it as an opportunity to eliminate labor costs and make everyone more pliable and stupid than they already are. It's worth noting that the same people profiting off the current AI bubble, are the same people donating a lot of time and money to elect and maintain this regime. Have you never heard of the network state? It is rather late in the day to play the fool. https://www.selc.org/press-release/musks-xai-explores-another-massive-methane-gas-turbine-installation-at-second-south-memphis-data-center/ https://www.selc.org/press-release/musks-xai-explores-anothe...