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lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itsel

lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war.

toomuchtodo 9mo ago
> lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war. EU countries give final approval to Russian gas ban - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-countries-give-final-approval-russian-gas-ban-2026-01-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-countries-give-fi... | https://archive.today/wOHeR https://archive.today/wOHeR - January 26th, 2026 > Under the agreement, the EU will halt Russian liquefied natural gas imports by end-2026 and pipeline gas by September 30, 2027. > The law allows that deadline to shift to November 1, 2027, at the latest, if a country is struggling to fill its storage caverns with non-Russian gas ahead of winter. > Russia supplied more than 40% of the EU's gas before 2022. That share dropped to around 13% in 2025, according to the latest available EU data. > The European Commission plans to also propose legislation in the coming months to phase out Russian pipeline oil, and wean countries off Russian nuclear fuel. Ember Energy: The final push for EU Russian gas phase-out - https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-final-push-for-eu-russian-gas-phase-out/ https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-final-push-for-... - March 27th, 2025 Considering Russian's invasion started February 24, 2022, it's fairly impressive Europe has only needed ~5 years to disconnect entirely from Russian gas supplies. Better late than never. They've proven they have the capacity to achieve these objectives in a timely manner, when motivated.
- tick_tock_tick 9mo ago
  > Considering Russian's invasion started February 24, 2022, You mean 2014. But thank you for proving my point. 2014 - 2027 just a short 15 years (assuming it actually happens I have my doubts).
  - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
    You also previously asserted, without citations, that Canada could not export natural gas to anyone but the US, so forgive me if I don’t take your opinion in high regard as it relates to global energy trade. China and Canada Energy Pact as Canada Aims to Cut Reliance on US - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46640932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46640932 - January 2026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919165 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919165 ("This line here makes it clear to me you've never really researched any of this. Canada doesn't have the ability to export that to anywhere but the USA and refuses to even consider building another pipeline." -- tick_tock_tick - November 13th, 2025) I'm confident you could make more factually accurate and less emotionally driven comments if you tried. Please consider it. Very little of the information I rely on for my comments is paywall gated, they are web searches away for your consumption and mental model enrichment.
    - tick_tock_tick 9mo ago
      They still don't have the capacity and I'm still betting they aren't going to build new ones.
      - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        They literally have an LNG export terminal that is operational today and shipping cargo. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919580 (citations)
        bethekidyouwant 9mo ago
        What’s closer to Europe, Canada‘s West Coast or Australia?
        tick_tock_tick 9mo ago
        I've never argued with you that they can't export any oil of course they can. I'm simply stating they don't have the capacity to shit away from exporting to the USA nor do they plan to build said capacity. Maybe if Alberta's proposal actually gets fast tracked approval and isn't bogged down in a decade of court battles with environmental and indigenous groups and I'll consider changing my view.
comonoid 9mo ago
Switching gas providers is more difficult than switching from Zoom to Google Meet or other alternative.
- youngtaff 9mo ago
  Not really once it's coming in my ship
- bethekidyouwant 9mo ago
  I think building an entire software stack that works is probably harder than buying more expensive gas from a different country
  - ben_w 9mo ago
    Even starting from scratch with the software, I'd make the opposite bet. Imported energy on the scale of nations a lot of expensive physical hardware. Given the numbers people throw around when talking about upgrading the electrical grid, think trillions*. Software also has the potential to be made by forking open source projects. That Canonical Ltd. (London) has Ubuntu is already a decent foundation, a wheel that probably doesn't need to be fully re-invented. * ironically, one of my hobby-hills on green energy is that I have noticed that a genuinely global electrical grid fat enough to get resistance down to 1 Ω the long way around, would only cost a few hundred billion in aluminium. Currently only China makes enough to consider it, but still, the BOM for such a project is much less than the price of all the manpower needed for the last 100 miles.
microtonal 9mo ago
lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades In the local harbor, they built an LNG terminal in 6 months (Eemshaven, NL). The Russian invasion was on February 24, 2022. They opened an LNG terminal on September 8, 2022. My primary lessons of previous crises (2008-2010 financial crisis, COVID, 2022 invasion) is that under pressure EU/EU countries can do things very quickly and do things well. The pundits always say the next crisis breaks the EU, but it always ends up with the EU being stronger and more unified than before.
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lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war.

toomuchtodo 9mo ago

> lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war. EU countries give final approval to Russian gas ban - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-countries-give-final-approval-russian-gas-ban-2026-01-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-countries-give-fi... | https://archive.today/wOHeR https://archive.today/wOHeR - January 26th, 2026 > Under the agreement, the EU will halt Russian liquefied natural gas imports by end-2026 and pipeline gas by September 30, 2027. > The law allows that deadline to shift to November 1, 2027, at the latest, if a country is struggling to fill its storage caverns with non-Russian gas ahead of winter. > Russia supplied more than 40% of the EU's gas before 2022. That share dropped to around 13% in 2025, according to the latest available EU data. > The European Commission plans to also propose legislation in the coming months to phase out Russian pipeline oil, and wean countries off Russian nuclear fuel. Ember Energy: The final push for EU Russian gas phase-out - https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-final-push-for-eu-russian-gas-phase-out/ https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-final-push-for-... - March 27th, 2025 Considering Russian's invasion started February 24, 2022, it's fairly impressive Europe has only needed ~5 years to disconnect entirely from Russian gas supplies. Better late than never. They've proven they have the capacity to achieve these objectives in a timely manner, when motivated.

tick_tock_tick 9mo ago
> Considering Russian's invasion started February 24, 2022, You mean 2014. But thank you for proving my point. 2014 - 2027 just a short 15 years (assuming it actually happens I have my doubts).
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  You also previously asserted, without citations, that Canada could not export natural gas to anyone but the US, so forgive me if I don’t take your opinion in high regard as it relates to global energy trade. China and Canada Energy Pact as Canada Aims to Cut Reliance on US - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46640932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46640932 - January 2026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919165 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919165 ("This line here makes it clear to me you've never really researched any of this. Canada doesn't have the ability to export that to anywhere but the USA and refuses to even consider building another pipeline." -- tick_tock_tick - November 13th, 2025) I'm confident you could make more factually accurate and less emotionally driven comments if you tried. Please consider it. Very little of the information I rely on for my comments is paywall gated, they are web searches away for your consumption and mental model enrichment.
  - tick_tock_tick 9mo ago
    They still don't have the capacity and I'm still betting they aren't going to build new ones.
    - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
      They literally have an LNG export terminal that is operational today and shipping cargo. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919580 (citations)
      - bethekidyouwant 9mo ago
        What’s closer to Europe, Canada‘s West Coast or Australia?
      - tick_tock_tick 9mo ago
        I've never argued with you that they can't export any oil of course they can. I'm simply stating they don't have the capacity to shit away from exporting to the USA nor do they plan to build said capacity. Maybe if Alberta's proposal actually gets fast tracked approval and isn't bogged down in a decade of court battles with environmental and indigenous groups and I'll consider changing my view.

comonoid 9mo ago

Switching gas providers is more difficult than switching from Zoom to Google Meet or other alternative.

youngtaff 9mo ago
Not really once it's coming in my ship
bethekidyouwant 9mo ago
I think building an entire software stack that works is probably harder than buying more expensive gas from a different country
- ben_w 9mo ago
  Even starting from scratch with the software, I'd make the opposite bet. Imported energy on the scale of nations a lot of expensive physical hardware. Given the numbers people throw around when talking about upgrading the electrical grid, think trillions*. Software also has the potential to be made by forking open source projects. That Canonical Ltd. (London) has Ubuntu is already a decent foundation, a wheel that probably doesn't need to be fully re-invented. * ironically, one of my hobby-hills on green energy is that I have noticed that a genuinely global electrical grid fat enough to get resistance down to 1 Ω the long way around, would only cost a few hundred billion in aluminium. Currently only China makes enough to consider it, but still, the BOM for such a project is much less than the price of all the manpower needed for the last 100 miles.

microtonal 9mo ago

lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades In the local harbor, they built an LNG terminal in 6 months (Eemshaven, NL). The Russian invasion was on February 24, 2022. They opened an LNG terminal on September 8, 2022. My primary lessons of previous crises (2008-2010 financial crisis, COVID, 2022 invasion) is that under pressure EU/EU countries can do things very quickly and do things well. The pundits always say the next crisis breaks the EU, but it always ends up with the EU being stronger and more unified than before.

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