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It really is insane. I really thought we had made progress stamping out the idea that more LOC == better software, and this just flies in the face of that. I w

It really is insane. I really thought we had made progress stamping out the idea that more LOC == better software, and this just flies in the face of that. I was in a meeting recently where a director lauded Claude for writing "tens of thousands of lines of code in a day", as if that metric in and of itself was worth something. And don't even get me started on "What percentage of your code is written by AI?"

MonkeyClub 9mo ago
LOC per day metrics are bovine metrics: how many pounds of dung per day.
- jihadjihad 9mo ago
  I'd argue porcine: how many pounds of slop per day.
Veserv 9mo ago
As Dijkstra once opined in 1988: "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger."
- cedws 9mo ago
  In an adage: code is a liability, not an asset.
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    As a fun exercise, I tried to see how close I could get to Cursor's results without using any Rust crates, and by making the agent actually care about the code. End results: 20K LOC for a browser that more or less works the same, on three platforms, leveraging commonly available system libraries and no 3rd party Rust crates: https://emsh.cat/one-human-one-agent-one-browser/ https://emsh.cat/one-human-one-agent-one-browser/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779522) I'm not entirely sure what the millions of lines of code is supposedly doing.
throwerxyz 9mo ago
"What percentage of your code is written by AI?" "I don't know, what percentage of your sweater is polyester?" "I don't know, I think it's all cotton, why do you ask me such a random question?" "Well surely you know that polyester can be made far cheaper in a plastics factory than cotton? Why do you use cotton?"

MonkeyClub 9mo ago

LOC per day metrics are bovine metrics: how many pounds of dung per day.

jihadjihad 9mo ago
I'd argue porcine: how many pounds of slop per day.

Veserv 9mo ago

As Dijkstra once opined in 1988: "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger."

cedws 9mo ago
In an adage: code is a liability, not an asset.
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  As a fun exercise, I tried to see how close I could get to Cursor's results without using any Rust crates, and by making the agent actually care about the code. End results: 20K LOC for a browser that more or less works the same, on three platforms, leveraging commonly available system libraries and no 3rd party Rust crates: https://emsh.cat/one-human-one-agent-one-browser/ https://emsh.cat/one-human-one-agent-one-browser/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779522) I'm not entirely sure what the millions of lines of code is supposedly doing.

throwerxyz 9mo ago

"What percentage of your code is written by AI?" "I don't know, what percentage of your sweater is polyester?" "I don't know, I think it's all cotton, why do you ask me such a random question?" "Well surely you know that polyester can be made far cheaper in a plastics factory than cotton? Why do you use cotton?"