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India. Today India invited President of EU commission on its republic day & I feel like there are discussions on signing free trade agreement. I was in my car

India. Today India invited President of EU commission on its republic day & I feel like there are discussions on signing free trade agreement. I was in my car watching it live when I recognized the President of EU commissioner and I was like hey!! I feel like friendly relations of EU and India are definitely on the rise & I have said this previously as well and talked to my other cousins/family who works in Coding and most agree that a deeper India-EU ties are possible. One thing we were discussing is if EU could directly invest funds in Indian companies instead of going through 10 layers of councils/commissioning companies but to people who want to either build private solutions (Preferably open source?) I do feel like that's inevitable too. EU's financing is something which I have heard is tricky within EU itself but there are some recent initiatives to stream line it and perhaps India can even integrate into it if its actually net positive for India. Overall I feel like I am pretty optimistic about India EU relations (though I feel like I have bias but what do people from EU think respectfully?,I'd be more than happy to answer as I talked to my developer cousin about it for almost 2 days on how EU India integration especially in tech feels so good and inevitable haha :>)

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 9mo ago
I can't wait to see how many indians we are going to be forced to import due to that "free trade deal". They must have looked at how well it went in canada and said among themselves "now that's how you destroy a country we gotta get some of that". [EDIT] Hopefully national politicians get balls, more balls, and tell their MEPs to vote against it like the mercosur deal.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  For what its worth, I have to mention that India losses more on this deal than Europe because India's actually for the first time iirc imo giving up tariffs or reducing them. India has the highest tariff rates for a developing country from the start (indiscriminant) and is only offering upgrades to EU mostly fwiw in terms of this free trade deal. I have heard this deal be described as EU beneficiary from EU sources. Ah yes, I feel like what you want for an EU is a connection with America which has been a very unreliable partner would even be an understatement in today's geopolitical environment. It's saddening to see if you are from EU who actually believes so. I am more than happy to answer your queries in good faith but this just feels like pushing some of your own agenda or straight up racist. We come with open arms even though the massacre of jallianwala bagh is still in our memories. There is just no question regarding the fact that EU primarily british forces had extracted immense wealth from India and India had to primarily rebuild it from scratch healing from the scars of its colonial past. There's actually an internal pushback from some people i feel like who feel like EU is still imperialist & want to shut down this deal from India side given India hasn't lost much after the trump's tariffs compared to EU whose greenland was in some serious sovereign threats. But I guess the point is that EU India deal is inevitable in this multi polar deal. India wants EU to be the financial hub where EU can then reinvest in India and India can create technological innovation. I have tried to respond with as much calm as possible but I must admit that your message felt like a must admit,ragebait to me in start but I hope that this detailed message can help clear up on the details. If you have any reasonable questions man, feel free to ask!
  - oblio 9mo ago
    You do know that the UK literally isn't in the EU, right? A lot of your rant is really weird.
    - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
      I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general) I wouldn't consider it a rant per se but rather that India's trying to move towards an multi polar deal and EU and India actually has a more net negative and Indians are wary of this deal even more so but on aggregate the deal would be extremely beneficial if seen from both sides with reason. Also isn't UK trying to pester back into the EU again. It's super complicated to follow even as someone who follows geo-politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_... > I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general) When I started writing about jallianwala bagh I probably got distracted because I used to be part of drama club and we had this act when we were young and literally the amount of people dying and everything truly shocks one & genuinely disturbs one. I recommend this documentary to know more about Jallianwala bagh massacre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JZJx67cvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JZJx67cvo I think my point which kind of got muddied up is that India wants to cozy up to EU and build things together but not to UK so much. India's extremely sensitive regarding UK given its past and in this deal,is cautious about EU and UK making ties again or any such discussions too.
      - coffe2mug 9mo ago
        I really think we (as OCI/NRI) should move on from using Jallianwala or whatever. This doesn't help. Don't use BS to justify. Every damn guy that get visa refused uses this and in a way insults those sacrifices. Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years. Who did what? You need to fix your own country. Even if British didn't invade - the princely states of India were feuding. Fighting. If it was not one country then TN and Karnataka would have gone to war. UK were open minded to elect a non- white as PM in UK. Though he was very bad for for UK. Do some creative things instead of using colonial things. Nobody cares. If some from that family hate UK or west then why come and live a happy life here (being UK/EU citizens). As an OCI holder, I get better treatment at immigration than I was an Indian citizen. While lots of things exist like ISRO etc there is still abject poverty, pollution, health care issues. Yes, India sends talents. Myself living about 10 years here. But note. TCS etc employees gain more coming here than they contribute. Yes, skill shortage etc. at the end while using the fantastic TGV here in France - I am benefiting more than contribute despite working in a high tech scientific industry. Eventually Bihari in TN will say I did so much work in Coimabatore mills but you guys are treating me shit; and for the non-hindi speaking Tamil in Pune they treat like shit. If all these are better the internal economy will be great. On path to some self sufficiency. No. Instead you come here to insult current EU UK citizens. It is of no use. The point is even if Sundar Pichai was in India he would not have built a Google. You can be cautious but at the end people like Bhavish Aggarwal or biju or l&t CEO etc are the ones you get there. They don't give a shit about people. Until then people will try to move here. Fix that. Otherwise people will come here to work. Just 9-5. No sat/sunday work. No fking Manager would call you after office hours. (Again, there will be YouTube videos of NRI telling - it is better life in India than USA/EU. Yes, true. If you are 10%top earner in India or at the
- coffe2mug 9mo ago
  This BS should stop (even if you vote for AfD or National front) It is so difficult we still to get a working visa into Western EU. The way this is done is by total bureaucratic nature of Ausländerbehörde. When he was CTO from Netflix, Gaurav Agarwal Could not get a visa to relocate to Germany. (No more with Netflix) So even of one has > €80K salary and working in Apple or MS hq in Munich it is pain in the arse. On the other hand this is encouraging people to apply and get passports. I for one would have never naturalised as German if the residence permit was quick and easy. In summary, there are encouraging people to migrate.
  - jpadkins 9mo ago
    Then EU citizens should support undocumented immigrants, as we do in the US. It is inhumane not to give them full welfare.
    - coffe2mug 9mo ago
      Is your first sentence sarcasm or you don't see news?
    - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
      Sadly I would consider now that America's just not an ideal position for immigration right now and this will remain a scar for America imo. Many of people I know (or friends of friends/brothers) are migrating from America to either Europe or shifting back to India. I don't think that America can particularly do something about it. Trust's pretty fragile.
- pseudony 9mo ago
  What little immigration we have from India are highly educated and thus quite productive individuals. You’re (deliberately?) confusing the issue with e.g. illegal immigration or asylum seekers who often come from poor, war-torn areas with little education and possibly a very different mind-set. I haven’t been accosted by roving gangs of well-educated IT Indians, I find the thought funny ;)
jshen 9mo ago
Good call out, India is likely the most viable option.
LunaSea 9mo ago
India's position on Russia means it's a non-starter as a serious trade partner.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  India doesn't really have a position on Russia/Ukraine itself but wants peace within the region. Yes, India does seek russian oil but that's because I feel like India and russian trade deals have been from the start of cold war where America supported pakistan. If you actually observe our history, we were hesitant about joining any block but it was the fact that America started investing in Pakistan which made us closer to russia. I feel like the average person is either Ukraine supporting/Neutral for what its worth. That being said, I feel like India's just looking out for its own interests. (Ahem America's attacking venezuela for oil) I feel like if this is such an non-starter, then India has made its stance clear that its always willing to co-operate to grow its country and if EU gives a more lucrative deal to India. I feel like India can slowly decrease its dependence on Russian oil as well. The thing is, EU right now is in this position because it got so reliant on America. We had seen this during cold war and we have always kept our cards open while still maintaining peace. I feel like India should look after its own interests first and foremost and see when objectives align (something canadian's PM said recently too and Trump got so angry on him that he's again talking about raising 100% tariffs) Honestly full support to Ukraine. I hope a peace deal can be arranged in Ukraine-russia. That being said, if you feel like EU's gotten a better partner (Americas invading Greenland, China's authoritarian, which other country has the tech innovation close to India?) then sure, I hope EU does whats in best of its incentives as well. But my honest bet is that India is EU's best bet to move from American techno-dependence given recent Greenland crisis.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 9mo ago

I can't wait to see how many indians we are going to be forced to import due to that "free trade deal". They must have looked at how well it went in canada and said among themselves "now that's how you destroy a country we gotta get some of that". [EDIT] Hopefully national politicians get balls, more balls, and tell their MEPs to vote against it like the mercosur deal.

Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
For what its worth, I have to mention that India losses more on this deal than Europe because India's actually for the first time iirc imo giving up tariffs or reducing them. India has the highest tariff rates for a developing country from the start (indiscriminant) and is only offering upgrades to EU mostly fwiw in terms of this free trade deal. I have heard this deal be described as EU beneficiary from EU sources. Ah yes, I feel like what you want for an EU is a connection with America which has been a very unreliable partner would even be an understatement in today's geopolitical environment. It's saddening to see if you are from EU who actually believes so. I am more than happy to answer your queries in good faith but this just feels like pushing some of your own agenda or straight up racist. We come with open arms even though the massacre of jallianwala bagh is still in our memories. There is just no question regarding the fact that EU primarily british forces had extracted immense wealth from India and India had to primarily rebuild it from scratch healing from the scars of its colonial past. There's actually an internal pushback from some people i feel like who feel like EU is still imperialist & want to shut down this deal from India side given India hasn't lost much after the trump's tariffs compared to EU whose greenland was in some serious sovereign threats. But I guess the point is that EU India deal is inevitable in this multi polar deal. India wants EU to be the financial hub where EU can then reinvest in India and India can create technological innovation. I have tried to respond with as much calm as possible but I must admit that your message felt like a must admit,ragebait to me in start but I hope that this detailed message can help clear up on the details. If you have any reasonable questions man, feel free to ask!
- oblio 9mo ago
  You do know that the UK literally isn't in the EU, right? A lot of your rant is really weird.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general) I wouldn't consider it a rant per se but rather that India's trying to move towards an multi polar deal and EU and India actually has a more net negative and Indians are wary of this deal even more so but on aggregate the deal would be extremely beneficial if seen from both sides with reason. Also isn't UK trying to pester back into the EU again. It's super complicated to follow even as someone who follows geo-politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_... > I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general) When I started writing about jallianwala bagh I probably got distracted because I used to be part of drama club and we had this act when we were young and literally the amount of people dying and everything truly shocks one & genuinely disturbs one. I recommend this documentary to know more about Jallianwala bagh massacre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JZJx67cvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JZJx67cvo I think my point which kind of got muddied up is that India wants to cozy up to EU and build things together but not to UK so much. India's extremely sensitive regarding UK given its past and in this deal,is cautious about EU and UK making ties again or any such discussions too.
    - coffe2mug 9mo ago
      I really think we (as OCI/NRI) should move on from using Jallianwala or whatever. This doesn't help. Don't use BS to justify. Every damn guy that get visa refused uses this and in a way insults those sacrifices. Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years. Who did what? You need to fix your own country. Even if British didn't invade - the princely states of India were feuding. Fighting. If it was not one country then TN and Karnataka would have gone to war. UK were open minded to elect a non- white as PM in UK. Though he was very bad for for UK. Do some creative things instead of using colonial things. Nobody cares. If some from that family hate UK or west then why come and live a happy life here (being UK/EU citizens). As an OCI holder, I get better treatment at immigration than I was an Indian citizen. While lots of things exist like ISRO etc there is still abject poverty, pollution, health care issues. Yes, India sends talents. Myself living about 10 years here. But note. TCS etc employees gain more coming here than they contribute. Yes, skill shortage etc. at the end while using the fantastic TGV here in France - I am benefiting more than contribute despite working in a high tech scientific industry. Eventually Bihari in TN will say I did so much work in Coimabatore mills but you guys are treating me shit; and for the non-hindi speaking Tamil in Pune they treat like shit. If all these are better the internal economy will be great. On path to some self sufficiency. No. Instead you come here to insult current EU UK citizens. It is of no use. The point is even if Sundar Pichai was in India he would not have built a Google. You can be cautious but at the end people like Bhavish Aggarwal or biju or l&t CEO etc are the ones you get there. They don't give a shit about people. Until then people will try to move here. Fix that. Otherwise people will come here to work. Just 9-5. No sat/sunday work. No fking Manager would call you after office hours. (Again, there will be YouTube videos of NRI telling - it is better life in India than USA/EU. Yes, true. If you are 10%top earner in India or at the
coffe2mug 9mo ago
This BS should stop (even if you vote for AfD or National front) It is so difficult we still to get a working visa into Western EU. The way this is done is by total bureaucratic nature of Ausländerbehörde. When he was CTO from Netflix, Gaurav Agarwal Could not get a visa to relocate to Germany. (No more with Netflix) So even of one has > €80K salary and working in Apple or MS hq in Munich it is pain in the arse. On the other hand this is encouraging people to apply and get passports. I for one would have never naturalised as German if the residence permit was quick and easy. In summary, there are encouraging people to migrate.
- jpadkins 9mo ago
  Then EU citizens should support undocumented immigrants, as we do in the US. It is inhumane not to give them full welfare.
  - coffe2mug 9mo ago
    Is your first sentence sarcasm or you don't see news?
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    Sadly I would consider now that America's just not an ideal position for immigration right now and this will remain a scar for America imo. Many of people I know (or friends of friends/brothers) are migrating from America to either Europe or shifting back to India. I don't think that America can particularly do something about it. Trust's pretty fragile.
pseudony 9mo ago
What little immigration we have from India are highly educated and thus quite productive individuals. You’re (deliberately?) confusing the issue with e.g. illegal immigration or asylum seekers who often come from poor, war-torn areas with little education and possibly a very different mind-set. I haven’t been accosted by roving gangs of well-educated IT Indians, I find the thought funny ;)

jshen 9mo ago

Good call out, India is likely the most viable option.

LunaSea 9mo ago

India's position on Russia means it's a non-starter as a serious trade partner.

Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
India doesn't really have a position on Russia/Ukraine itself but wants peace within the region. Yes, India does seek russian oil but that's because I feel like India and russian trade deals have been from the start of cold war where America supported pakistan. If you actually observe our history, we were hesitant about joining any block but it was the fact that America started investing in Pakistan which made us closer to russia. I feel like the average person is either Ukraine supporting/Neutral for what its worth. That being said, I feel like India's just looking out for its own interests. (Ahem America's attacking venezuela for oil) I feel like if this is such an non-starter, then India has made its stance clear that its always willing to co-operate to grow its country and if EU gives a more lucrative deal to India. I feel like India can slowly decrease its dependence on Russian oil as well. The thing is, EU right now is in this position because it got so reliant on America. We had seen this during cold war and we have always kept our cards open while still maintaining peace. I feel like India should look after its own interests first and foremost and see when objectives align (something canadian's PM said recently too and Trump got so angry on him that he's again talking about raising 100% tariffs) Honestly full support to Ukraine. I hope a peace deal can be arranged in Ukraine-russia. That being said, if you feel like EU's gotten a better partner (Americas invading Greenland, China's authoritarian, which other country has the tech innovation close to India?) then sure, I hope EU does whats in best of its incentives as well. But my honest bet is that India is EU's best bet to move from American techno-dependence given recent Greenland crisis.