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What about phones from OnePlus for example, sever of which can run PostmarketOS.

by JCattheATM 9mo ago

fsflover 9mo ago
AFAIK none of them can run GNU/Linux natively: only on top of Android.
- JCattheATM 9mo ago
  Never heard anything like that about PostmarketOS before, and couldn't find anything confirming that's the case.
  - fsflover 9mo ago
    Good call. It seems this is just one way to run it, https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Hybris https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Hybris. Another way is to run mainline kernel, which is currently supported by few devices, including Librem 5, Pinephone, Fairphone 2, OnePlus. It seems only the first two run with all FLOSS drivers and full support: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices So, for OnePlus, you may stop getting updates for proprietary drivers whenever the vendor decides so. Also, not all features are supported due to the difficulty of reverse-engineering the drivers.
    - JCattheATM 9mo ago
      Driver updates generally stablize, and new updates aren't really needed, so I don't think that's an issue.
      - fsflover 9mo ago
        Vulnerabilities are found in drivers all the time.
        JCattheATM 9mo ago
        That's a huge exaggeration, honestly. I don't think there are any outstanding vulnerabilities in any of the OnePlus T devices that can run PMOS.
        fsflover 9mo ago
        This is not at all what I wrote. I wrote that with proprietary drivers, you're always at the risk of being vulnerable with no recourse.
        JCattheATM 9mo ago
        Right...and I wrote that's not really an issue as time goes on as drivers stabilize.
        fsflover 9mo ago
        Never heard anything about "driver stabilization" before, and couldn't find anything confirming that it exists. In my understanding, the longer some piece of software is used, the higher the probability that a vulnerability can be found. I can imagine that after a really long time, most vulnerabilities might be found, but I don't believe I will live long enough to see that for relevant drivers.
        JCattheATM 9mo ago
        > Never heard anything about "driver stabilization" before, and couldn't find anything confirming that it exists. I don't know that it's a known phrase, I find it odd you searched for it as I would have thought the meaning would have been obvious. Bugs are found generally within the developer mandated lifespan of the device, more bugs are found closer to release with less being found over time. There might still be vulnerabilities, but that would be just as true for open source ones, because in both cases no one is really looking for them. Can you find any unpatched vulnerabilities for any of the OnePlus devices that PMOS runs on? I doubt it. They may exist, but they may exist i your Librem also.

What about phones from OnePlus for example, sever of which can run PostmarketOS.

fsflover 9mo ago

AFAIK none of them can run GNU/Linux natively: only on top of Android.

JCattheATM 9mo ago
Never heard anything like that about PostmarketOS before, and couldn't find anything confirming that's the case.
- fsflover 9mo ago
  Good call. It seems this is just one way to run it, https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Hybris https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Hybris. Another way is to run mainline kernel, which is currently supported by few devices, including Librem 5, Pinephone, Fairphone 2, OnePlus. It seems only the first two run with all FLOSS drivers and full support: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices So, for OnePlus, you may stop getting updates for proprietary drivers whenever the vendor decides so. Also, not all features are supported due to the difficulty of reverse-engineering the drivers.
  - JCattheATM 9mo ago
    Driver updates generally stablize, and new updates aren't really needed, so I don't think that's an issue.
    - fsflover 9mo ago
      Vulnerabilities are found in drivers all the time.
      - JCattheATM 9mo ago
        That's a huge exaggeration, honestly. I don't think there are any outstanding vulnerabilities in any of the OnePlus T devices that can run PMOS.
        fsflover 9mo ago
        This is not at all what I wrote. I wrote that with proprietary drivers, you're always at the risk of being vulnerable with no recourse.
        JCattheATM 9mo ago
        Right...and I wrote that's not really an issue as time goes on as drivers stabilize.
        fsflover 9mo ago
        Never heard anything about "driver stabilization" before, and couldn't find anything confirming that it exists. In my understanding, the longer some piece of software is used, the higher the probability that a vulnerability can be found. I can imagine that after a really long time, most vulnerabilities might be found, but I don't believe I will live long enough to see that for relevant drivers.
        JCattheATM 9mo ago
        > Never heard anything about "driver stabilization" before, and couldn't find anything confirming that it exists. I don't know that it's a known phrase, I find it odd you searched for it as I would have thought the meaning would have been obvious. Bugs are found generally within the developer mandated lifespan of the device, more bugs are found closer to release with less being found over time. There might still be vulnerabilities, but that would be just as true for open source ones, because in both cases no one is really looking for them. Can you find any unpatched vulnerabilities for any of the OnePlus devices that PMOS runs on? I doubt it. They may exist, but they may exist i your Librem also.