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Ukraine was never a nuclear power any real sense. The USSR's bombs were parked there, and Ukraine merely had physical (but not operational) custody over them af

Ukraine was never a nuclear power any real sense. The USSR's bombs were parked there, and Ukraine merely had physical (but not operational) custody over them after the USSR fell. Ukraine could have kept them to bootstrap a nuclear arms program, but they didn't, so they were never had a nuclear deterrent to give up in the first place.

qaq 9mo ago
Nice russian talking point. UA designed developed and maintained most top tier soviet nuclear weapons. The largest nuke plant in USSR was Yuzhmash in Dnepr and largest design bureau again in UA Dnepr KB Yuzhnoe. UA had to help maintain russian nukes after the collapse of USSR cause russia lacked tech. capability.
- aktenlage 9mo ago
  Credible Source?
  - qaq 9mo ago
    Are you banned by google ? I literally provided you the names of the entities. They btw. designed and built the infamous SS-18 Satan
    - ASalazarMX 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - qaq 9mo ago
        How is it a bold claim ?
        collingreen 9mo ago
        Google it to find out
        impossiblefork 9mo ago
        But the claim is literally true? Yuzhnoye Design Office designed the R-36 (SS-18) and it was built by Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant, both in Dnipro.
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepr_(rocket) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepr_(rocket) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KB_Pivdenne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KB_Pivdenne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivdenmash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivdenmash etc.
- qaq 9mo ago
  To understand scale the Yuzhmash campus is 1800+ acres Boeing Everett is about 1000 acres
- temp8830 9mo ago
  You know the truth full well, but insist on perpetuating the myth of genius Ukrainians and dumb Russian orcs. The USSR had a policy of distributing economic development over its entire area instead of concentrating it in one place. Once a high-tech facility was built, it would be staffed by specialists recruited from all over the Soviet Union. They would be offered generous relocation assistance. Now, I am not saying that Ukrainians are dumb or anything like that. What I am saying is that in a centrally planned economy the location of a project is chosen according to different criteria.
  - qaq 9mo ago
    Where did I say russians are dumb? The claim I am disputing is a myth that Ukraine was just a place the nukes were stationed in and they had no capability to manage them. While USSR was often making sub-optimal decisions availability of eng. talent was def a consideration when sites were being chosen. There is a very long list of key Nuke and space related R&D and manufacturing in UA. They are concentrated in exactly 3 places (Dnepr, Kyiv, Kharkiv), so you spiel on distributing does not make much sense.

qaq 9mo ago

Nice russian talking point. UA designed developed and maintained most top tier soviet nuclear weapons. The largest nuke plant in USSR was Yuzhmash in Dnepr and largest design bureau again in UA Dnepr KB Yuzhnoe. UA had to help maintain russian nukes after the collapse of USSR cause russia lacked tech. capability.

aktenlage 9mo ago
Credible Source?
- qaq 9mo ago
  Are you banned by google ? I literally provided you the names of the entities. They btw. designed and built the infamous SS-18 Satan
  - ASalazarMX 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - qaq 9mo ago
      How is it a bold claim ?
      - collingreen 9mo ago
        Google it to find out
        impossiblefork 9mo ago
        But the claim is literally true? Yuzhnoye Design Office designed the R-36 (SS-18) and it was built by Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant, both in Dnipro.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepr_(rocket) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepr_(rocket) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KB_Pivdenne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KB_Pivdenne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivdenmash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivdenmash etc.
qaq 9mo ago
To understand scale the Yuzhmash campus is 1800+ acres Boeing Everett is about 1000 acres
temp8830 9mo ago
You know the truth full well, but insist on perpetuating the myth of genius Ukrainians and dumb Russian orcs. The USSR had a policy of distributing economic development over its entire area instead of concentrating it in one place. Once a high-tech facility was built, it would be staffed by specialists recruited from all over the Soviet Union. They would be offered generous relocation assistance. Now, I am not saying that Ukrainians are dumb or anything like that. What I am saying is that in a centrally planned economy the location of a project is chosen according to different criteria.
- qaq 9mo ago
  Where did I say russians are dumb? The claim I am disputing is a myth that Ukraine was just a place the nukes were stationed in and they had no capability to manage them. While USSR was often making sub-optimal decisions availability of eng. talent was def a consideration when sites were being chosen. There is a very long list of key Nuke and space related R&D and manufacturing in UA. They are concentrated in exactly 3 places (Dnepr, Kyiv, Kharkiv), so you spiel on distributing does not make much sense.