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This is about posting license plates (presumably not of personal vehicles), facial images, and names of federal officers. I mean I thought we already make fede

This is about posting license plates (presumably not of personal vehicles), facial images, and names of federal officers. I mean I thought we already make federal employees and vehicles public knowledge. The national guard currently deployed in Minneapolis are unmasked as far as I know to compare. I'm not understanding why DHS federal employees are exempt from this standard.

almosthere 8mo ago
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- KittenInABox 8mo ago
  All federal officers are at risk of being doxxed and their families being targeted. The national guard deployed currently has their faces uncovered to the public and no doubt have the same risk to them. Again, I don't understand how DHS is special in this regard. All credible threats to individual officers and their families should be pursued through the court of law exactly the same as threats to every other federal officer. If I'm being dumb then please explain with stupid-speak to me.
  - almosthere 8mo ago
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    - KittenInABox 8mo ago
      Yes, that's what I'm asking! Can you answer my question? :)
    - spit2wind 8mo ago
      It would introduce some basic humanity into the situation. It would be a form of accountability.
    - xracy 8mo ago
      > What would be different about these people if their faces were visible? I mean, if you agree there's no difference, then we should prefer transparency? You're going to have to make the case for why they should cover their face, since the default for law enforcement for the last 200+ years has been to show their face.
      - almosthere 8mo ago
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        JCattheATM 8mo ago
        SWAT teams have extensive training...
        almosthere 8mo ago
        They have a way worse accidental kill rate what are you talking about. It's also entirely unrelated to the point.
        JCattheATM 8mo ago
        It's not unrelated, it's showing how unlike a SWAT team ICE is.
        almosthere 8mo ago
        SWAT teams killed someone that was swatted a few years ago, that sounds EXTREMELY untrained. It's also a very high capture / accidental kill ratio.
        JCattheATM 8mo ago
        Accidents happening does not equate to being extremely untrained. Obviously, also, there will be variance in the amount of training across departments/jurisdictions. On average, though, they certainly are highly trained.
- OkayPhysicist 8mo ago
  If a law enforcement agency is so incredibly unpopular that they feel the need to hide their faces, they should not exist. Nobody likes LAPD, and they almost exclusively piss people off close to where they and their families live. Yet, no covering their faces. ICE exclusively deals with targets who are not dangerous in of themselves (because when an illegal immigrant breaks other laws, the real cops respond), so they're not hiding their faces from them. They're hiding their faces from the general public, who, you might note, are the root of authority in a democracy. That is an unambiguous message that they are not acting in the best interest of the people, and should fuck off.
  - almosthere 8mo ago
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    - KittenInABox 8mo ago
      When were you growing up?
      - dylan604 8mo ago
        Where would be the actual question to ask
    - goatlover 8mo ago
      When I was growing up, cities weren't under siege from militarized Federal agencies hiding their faces and acting with no accountability because the state supports the opposition party, which is Democratic, certainly not communist. What you suggest needs to happen is in violation of the Constitution and deeply un-American.
- beowulfey 8mo ago
  It is not possible to "dox" a public employee because that information is legally public information. Don't become a public employee if you want your job to be private. see e.g. https://www.openpayrolls.com https://www.openpayrolls.com
mschuster91 8mo ago
> I'm not understanding why DHS federal employees are exempt from this standard. Because the aim of ICE is to terrorize local communities that either have a lot of immigrants/non-white people in general or that vote heavily Democrat like Minneapolis. And terror doesn't work when you can reliably identify the terrorists and hold them accountable, or do the same to the terrorists as they dish out on their victims.
UncleEntity 8mo ago
>> presumably not of personal vehicles They don't magically gain more privacy protection in public over what your average person has just because they clock out after a hard day of work by virtue of being a government employee. They are constantly and consistently reminded that people have the right to record in public and they chose to ignore that as there are no consequences if they violate the law. Or that people have a right to peacefully assemble. Or freedom of the press...
- KittenInABox 8mo ago
  I agree they don't gain more privacy protection in public than the average person. I also agree they shouldn't gain more privacy protection in public than the average public employee, either! I'm merely assuming that the license plates being listed are ones they use for their official work, since the rest of their info is being tied to what's available for any other public work.

almosthere 8mo ago

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KittenInABox 8mo ago
All federal officers are at risk of being doxxed and their families being targeted. The national guard deployed currently has their faces uncovered to the public and no doubt have the same risk to them. Again, I don't understand how DHS is special in this regard. All credible threats to individual officers and their families should be pursued through the court of law exactly the same as threats to every other federal officer. If I'm being dumb then please explain with stupid-speak to me.
- almosthere 8mo ago
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  - KittenInABox 8mo ago
    Yes, that's what I'm asking! Can you answer my question? :)
  - spit2wind 8mo ago
    It would introduce some basic humanity into the situation. It would be a form of accountability.
  - xracy 8mo ago
    > What would be different about these people if their faces were visible? I mean, if you agree there's no difference, then we should prefer transparency? You're going to have to make the case for why they should cover their face, since the default for law enforcement for the last 200+ years has been to show their face.
    - almosthere 8mo ago
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      - JCattheATM 8mo ago
        SWAT teams have extensive training...
        almosthere 8mo ago
        They have a way worse accidental kill rate what are you talking about. It's also entirely unrelated to the point.
        JCattheATM 8mo ago
        It's not unrelated, it's showing how unlike a SWAT team ICE is.
        almosthere 8mo ago
        SWAT teams killed someone that was swatted a few years ago, that sounds EXTREMELY untrained. It's also a very high capture / accidental kill ratio.
        JCattheATM 8mo ago
        Accidents happening does not equate to being extremely untrained. Obviously, also, there will be variance in the amount of training across departments/jurisdictions. On average, though, they certainly are highly trained.
OkayPhysicist 8mo ago
If a law enforcement agency is so incredibly unpopular that they feel the need to hide their faces, they should not exist. Nobody likes LAPD, and they almost exclusively piss people off close to where they and their families live. Yet, no covering their faces. ICE exclusively deals with targets who are not dangerous in of themselves (because when an illegal immigrant breaks other laws, the real cops respond), so they're not hiding their faces from them. They're hiding their faces from the general public, who, you might note, are the root of authority in a democracy. That is an unambiguous message that they are not acting in the best interest of the people, and should fuck off.
- almosthere 8mo ago
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  - KittenInABox 8mo ago
    When were you growing up?
    - dylan604 8mo ago
      Where would be the actual question to ask
  - goatlover 8mo ago
    When I was growing up, cities weren't under siege from militarized Federal agencies hiding their faces and acting with no accountability because the state supports the opposition party, which is Democratic, certainly not communist. What you suggest needs to happen is in violation of the Constitution and deeply un-American.
beowulfey 8mo ago
It is not possible to "dox" a public employee because that information is legally public information. Don't become a public employee if you want your job to be private. see e.g. https://www.openpayrolls.com https://www.openpayrolls.com

mschuster91 8mo ago

> I'm not understanding why DHS federal employees are exempt from this standard. Because the aim of ICE is to terrorize local communities that either have a lot of immigrants/non-white people in general or that vote heavily Democrat like Minneapolis. And terror doesn't work when you can reliably identify the terrorists and hold them accountable, or do the same to the terrorists as they dish out on their victims.

UncleEntity 8mo ago

>> presumably not of personal vehicles They don't magically gain more privacy protection in public over what your average person has just because they clock out after a hard day of work by virtue of being a government employee. They are constantly and consistently reminded that people have the right to record in public and they chose to ignore that as there are no consequences if they violate the law. Or that people have a right to peacefully assemble. Or freedom of the press...

KittenInABox 8mo ago
I agree they don't gain more privacy protection in public than the average person. I also agree they shouldn't gain more privacy protection in public than the average public employee, either! I'm merely assuming that the license plates being listed are ones they use for their official work, since the rest of their info is being tied to what's available for any other public work.