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ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

simonebrunozzi 9mo ago
Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.
- I_am_tiberius 9mo ago
  I agree with Scaleway (I would more compare it to Digital Ocean) but OVH is really good and comparable.
  - antonkochubey 9mo ago
    DigitalOcean is fantastic in my experience, way better than The Big Three, especially Azure.
    - I_am_tiberius 9mo ago
      Yes I know! Scaleway is great as well. But I was referring to the product portfolio.
  - markvdb 9mo ago
    My fingers always ache when I hear praise for the company that through its incompetence nearly lost me my company's domain name... twice. Shame on me for staying with them.
- gdilla 9mo ago
  sure, gotta start somewhere.
- sundache 9mo ago
  I use AWS and OVH at work and this has not my experience. AWS has more services, but a lot of those are of dubious quality. I'd love to never have to use redshift or EMR again for instance. OVH is more basic, but what it has tends to work at least.
  - traceroute66 9mo ago
    > AWS has more services, but a lot of those are of dubious quality. Being cynical AWS has more services because many of those are deliberately siloed in order to create a separate billing item, i.e.: "You want to use AWS Foo ...great, welcome to AWS ! But unless you want to re-invent the wheel re-programming the standard workflow, you should really use AWS Bar and AWS Baz alongside it. Dontcha' like all the cute names we've given them ? Here are all the price sheets, don't forget to read the small print ... good luck figuring out how much it will cost you".
- Choco31415 9mo ago
  I’ve used OVH for multiple projects and they’ve been wonderful to work with.
- eigenspace 9mo ago
  Even assuming this is true, EU cloud providers no longer have to compete with their American counterparts on an even footing thanks to the insanity coming out of the White House (and American society more generally). There's a very big push to get off of American providers, and many (though not all) customers are willing to make sacrifices to do so. If providers like OVH play their cards right, they can use this sudden influx of cash to both scale up, and improve their offerings. There's a lot of money on the table right now.
- traceroute66 9mo ago
  > Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts Not true. But you know what the best thing about the EU companies is ? Transparent pricing. EU company: Yes, you really can accurately calculate to the nearest cent how much your compute instance will cost you and exactly what you are getting for that money. No surprises. US company:Is that Compute Savings Plan, EC2 Savings Plan, On-Demand or Spot. What speed is my network "up to" ? And then of course the big "I DUNNO" in relation to "how many IOPS am I going to be charged for EBS disk transfer ?" EU company: Of course we don't charge you for LIST etc. on S3. We only charge you for off-network GETs and the associated data transfer, on-network is free. US company: What do you mean LIST etc. should be free ? You know what else I like about the EU companies ? At least two of them allow pay as you go from a reducing credit balance. Yes that's right US companies. It IS possible to give your customers a way to 100% guarantee you will never have an "oops I just spent a million dollars overnight" moment.
- omnimus 9mo ago
  They are fine. Cloud is a commodity. Hetzner and Bunny are pretty great and i am sure there are many more. The problem is when US decides to ban sales of compute hardware to EU (like they do to China). Then it will be clear who's really in power.
  - traceroute66 9mo ago
    > Then it will be clear who's really in power. If China closed the door overnight to the US, it would also be clear who's really in power. The US simply does not have the capacity to replicate the manufacturing domestically. Even if it were possible, "100% Made in the US" would end up costing at least 20–30% more. And the US does not have a plan B. Sure there might be India .... one day....years away.
    - omnimus 9mo ago
      Oh I agree. China is clearly outplaying everyone. But EU surely doesn't want to replace one leash (US tech stack) with different leash (Chinese tech stack). I keep wondering though. Is insane amount of compute really that crucial? Aren't most real computing needs served well with not so cutting edge tech? I am 5-10 years behind on most of my machines. Servers we have at work are very modest (and outdated) yet the software these servers power are still valuable. Maybe EU could run on some domestic RISC-V cheapo chips.
  - piva00 9mo ago
    There'll be a vacuum filled by non-US brands, China is learning and given they'll push to be independent eventually they'll compete with AMD/Intel/Nvidia, Europe has ARM. The worst thing in the long-term for American hardware makers is for the US to block other countries to purchase from them and having that money invested in alternatives.
  - fileeditview 9mo ago
    That could end in an ugly stalemate pretty fast, considering ASML is Dutch.
  - 202508042147 9mo ago
- irusensei 9mo ago
  I think companies should just allocate raw computing and put agnostic stacks on top of it instead of using whatever shinny serverless G-Azurezon Serverless Function Lambda Cloud with NOTREDIS CACHE and LOCAL FLAVOR OF KUBERNETES plus the new OTEL-BUT-INVENTED-HERE monitoring solution.
- LunaSea 9mo ago
  AWS offers subpar services for their price too
davedx 9mo ago
CleverCloud, Hetzner
bootsmann 9mo ago
StackIT is the AWS competitor actually, OVH is not really laid out to be a hyperscaler.
sambuccid 9mo ago
I'm also trying Gcore and so far, apart for an intial problem with payments, has been good. It has a lot of services

Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

I_am_tiberius 9mo ago
I agree with Scaleway (I would more compare it to Digital Ocean) but OVH is really good and comparable.
- antonkochubey 9mo ago
  DigitalOcean is fantastic in my experience, way better than The Big Three, especially Azure.
  - I_am_tiberius 9mo ago
    Yes I know! Scaleway is great as well. But I was referring to the product portfolio.
- markvdb 9mo ago
  My fingers always ache when I hear praise for the company that through its incompetence nearly lost me my company's domain name... twice. Shame on me for staying with them.
gdilla 9mo ago
sure, gotta start somewhere.
sundache 9mo ago
I use AWS and OVH at work and this has not my experience. AWS has more services, but a lot of those are of dubious quality. I'd love to never have to use redshift or EMR again for instance. OVH is more basic, but what it has tends to work at least.
- traceroute66 9mo ago
  > AWS has more services, but a lot of those are of dubious quality. Being cynical AWS has more services because many of those are deliberately siloed in order to create a separate billing item, i.e.: "You want to use AWS Foo ...great, welcome to AWS ! But unless you want to re-invent the wheel re-programming the standard workflow, you should really use AWS Bar and AWS Baz alongside it. Dontcha' like all the cute names we've given them ? Here are all the price sheets, don't forget to read the small print ... good luck figuring out how much it will cost you".
Choco31415 9mo ago
I’ve used OVH for multiple projects and they’ve been wonderful to work with.
eigenspace 9mo ago
Even assuming this is true, EU cloud providers no longer have to compete with their American counterparts on an even footing thanks to the insanity coming out of the White House (and American society more generally). There's a very big push to get off of American providers, and many (though not all) customers are willing to make sacrifices to do so. If providers like OVH play their cards right, they can use this sudden influx of cash to both scale up, and improve their offerings. There's a lot of money on the table right now.
traceroute66 9mo ago
> Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts Not true. But you know what the best thing about the EU companies is ? Transparent pricing. EU company: Yes, you really can accurately calculate to the nearest cent how much your compute instance will cost you and exactly what you are getting for that money. No surprises. US company:Is that Compute Savings Plan, EC2 Savings Plan, On-Demand or Spot. What speed is my network "up to" ? And then of course the big "I DUNNO" in relation to "how many IOPS am I going to be charged for EBS disk transfer ?" EU company: Of course we don't charge you for LIST etc. on S3. We only charge you for off-network GETs and the associated data transfer, on-network is free. US company: What do you mean LIST etc. should be free ? You know what else I like about the EU companies ? At least two of them allow pay as you go from a reducing credit balance. Yes that's right US companies. It IS possible to give your customers a way to 100% guarantee you will never have an "oops I just spent a million dollars overnight" moment.
omnimus 9mo ago
They are fine. Cloud is a commodity. Hetzner and Bunny are pretty great and i am sure there are many more. The problem is when US decides to ban sales of compute hardware to EU (like they do to China). Then it will be clear who's really in power.
- traceroute66 9mo ago
  > Then it will be clear who's really in power. If China closed the door overnight to the US, it would also be clear who's really in power. The US simply does not have the capacity to replicate the manufacturing domestically. Even if it were possible, "100% Made in the US" would end up costing at least 20–30% more. And the US does not have a plan B. Sure there might be India .... one day....years away.
  - omnimus 9mo ago
    Oh I agree. China is clearly outplaying everyone. But EU surely doesn't want to replace one leash (US tech stack) with different leash (Chinese tech stack). I keep wondering though. Is insane amount of compute really that crucial? Aren't most real computing needs served well with not so cutting edge tech? I am 5-10 years behind on most of my machines. Servers we have at work are very modest (and outdated) yet the software these servers power are still valuable. Maybe EU could run on some domestic RISC-V cheapo chips.
- piva00 9mo ago
  There'll be a vacuum filled by non-US brands, China is learning and given they'll push to be independent eventually they'll compete with AMD/Intel/Nvidia, Europe has ARM. The worst thing in the long-term for American hardware makers is for the US to block other countries to purchase from them and having that money invested in alternatives.
- fileeditview 9mo ago
  That could end in an ugly stalemate pretty fast, considering ASML is Dutch.
- 202508042147 9mo ago
irusensei 9mo ago
I think companies should just allocate raw computing and put agnostic stacks on top of it instead of using whatever shinny serverless G-Azurezon Serverless Function Lambda Cloud with NOTREDIS CACHE and LOCAL FLAVOR OF KUBERNETES plus the new OTEL-BUT-INVENTED-HERE monitoring solution.
LunaSea 9mo ago
AWS offers subpar services for their price too

davedx 9mo ago

CleverCloud, Hetzner

bootsmann 9mo ago

StackIT is the AWS competitor actually, OVH is not really laid out to be a hyperscaler.

sambuccid 9mo ago

I'm also trying Gcore and so far, apart for an intial problem with payments, has been good. It has a lot of services