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Considering things like Palantir, and the doge effort running through Musk, it seems inconceivable that this is not already the case. I think I'm more curious

Considering things like Palantir, and the doge effort running through Musk, it seems inconceivable that this is not already the case. I think I'm more curious about the possibility of using a special government LLM to implement direct democracy in a way that was previously impossible: collecting the preferences of 100M citizens, and synthesizing them into policy suggestions in a coherent way. I'm not necessarily optimistic about the idea, but it's a nice dream.

stewh_eng 8mo ago
Indirectly, this is kind of what I was trying to get at in this weekend project https://github.com/stewhsource/GovernmentGPT https://github.com/stewhsource/GovernmentGPT using the British commons debate history as a starting point to capture divergent views from political affiliation, region and role. Changes over time would be super interesting - but I never had time to dig into that. Tldr; it worked surprisingly well and I know a few students have picked it up to continue on this theme in their research projects
- bahmboo 8mo ago
  That looks very interesting. Could use a demo or examples for us short attention spanned individuals. Would be cool to feed it into TTS or video generation like Sora.
djwide 8mo ago
Thanks for the comment. Interesting to think about but I am also skeptical of who will be doing the "collecting" and "synthesizing". Both tasks are potentially loaded with political bias. Perhaps it's better than our current system though.
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Sheeny96 8mo ago
Sounds like Helios https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swbGrpfaaaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swbGrpfaaaM
Zagitta 8mo ago
Centralising it is definitely the wrong way to go about it. It'd be much better to train an agent per citizen, that's in their control, and have it participate in a direct democracy setup.
ativzzz 8mo ago
> special government LLM to implement direct democracy I like your optimism, but I think realistically a special government LLM to implement authoritarianism is much more likely. In the end, someone has to enforce the things an LLM spits out. Who does that? The people in charge. If you read any history, the most likely scenario will be the people in charge guiding the LLM to secure more power & wealth. Now maybe it'll work for a while, depending on how good the safeguards are. Every empire only works for a while. It's a fun experiment
zozbot234 8mo ago
Real world LLM's cannot even write a proper legal brief without making stuff up, providing fake references and just spouting all sorts of ludicrous nonsense. Expecting them to set policy or even to provide effective suggestions to that effect is a fool's errand.
- pixl97 8mo ago
  >Real world politicians cannot even write a proper legal brief without making stuff up, providing fake references and just spouting all sorts of ludicrous nonsense. Expecting them to set policy or even to provide effective suggestions to that effect is a fool's errand. This has been a more realistic experience of the average American for the past few years.

stewh_eng 8mo ago

Indirectly, this is kind of what I was trying to get at in this weekend project https://github.com/stewhsource/GovernmentGPT https://github.com/stewhsource/GovernmentGPT using the British commons debate history as a starting point to capture divergent views from political affiliation, region and role. Changes over time would be super interesting - but I never had time to dig into that. Tldr; it worked surprisingly well and I know a few students have picked it up to continue on this theme in their research projects

bahmboo 8mo ago
That looks very interesting. Could use a demo or examples for us short attention spanned individuals. Would be cool to feed it into TTS or video generation like Sora.

djwide 8mo ago

Thanks for the comment. Interesting to think about but I am also skeptical of who will be doing the "collecting" and "synthesizing". Both tasks are potentially loaded with political bias. Perhaps it's better than our current system though.

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Sheeny96 8mo ago

Sounds like Helios https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swbGrpfaaaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swbGrpfaaaM

Zagitta 8mo ago

Centralising it is definitely the wrong way to go about it. It'd be much better to train an agent per citizen, that's in their control, and have it participate in a direct democracy setup.

ativzzz 8mo ago

> special government LLM to implement direct democracy I like your optimism, but I think realistically a special government LLM to implement authoritarianism is much more likely. In the end, someone has to enforce the things an LLM spits out. Who does that? The people in charge. If you read any history, the most likely scenario will be the people in charge guiding the LLM to secure more power & wealth. Now maybe it'll work for a while, depending on how good the safeguards are. Every empire only works for a while. It's a fun experiment

zozbot234 8mo ago

Real world LLM's cannot even write a proper legal brief without making stuff up, providing fake references and just spouting all sorts of ludicrous nonsense. Expecting them to set policy or even to provide effective suggestions to that effect is a fool's errand.

pixl97 8mo ago
>Real world politicians cannot even write a proper legal brief without making stuff up, providing fake references and just spouting all sorts of ludicrous nonsense. Expecting them to set policy or even to provide effective suggestions to that effect is a fool's errand. This has been a more realistic experience of the average American for the past few years.