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I would worry about them not liking the (true in my case at least) answer of "I don't have social media".

by reorder9695 9mo ago

mywittyname 9mo ago
Same. Regular people give me weird looks when I claim not to use social media.
direwolf20 9mo ago
They wouldn't allow you in, then they'd deport you to Guantanamo Bay for being a terrorist. Probably. I assume.
RobT7k 9mo ago
Isn't your Hackernews account a "Social Media" account? Maybe it is, maybe it's not. We have no idea what the Governments definition of a Social Media Account is.
- barbazoo 9mo ago
  I would say this is a forum. Is a forum social media?
  - iammjm 9mo ago
    It is just a matter of time before they will actually mean "anything you've posted on the internet, ever" when they'll say "social media"
- Cornbilly 9mo ago
  I always assumed "social media" is something tied to your real-life identity. For me, HN would not be social media. But there are people here that give their entire life story in their profile, I would say that, for those people, HN is social media. Though, the Trump regime may see things differently.
  - arthurcolle 9mo ago
    :(
- reorder9695 9mo ago
  Interesting point, they'd have to either give a strict definition or a list otherwise I actually have no idea what to put. What about my ancient XDA Developers account that I don't even remember the username of? Would anyone with a Google account need to give that as YouTube exists?
aorth 9mo ago
American citizen living abroad for almost 20 years here. This happens to me ever so often when entering the US. Last under Biden, when I had been living in Jordan for a few years. I got pulled aside for a secondary inspection and the guy asked for all my phone numbers and social media accounts, and was surprised I didn't have Facebook—I just said I was a computer scientist and didn't like Zuckerberg. I gotta give him credit for being patient as he asked for all my addresses abroad etc. But this has been happening before Trump.
- wasabi991011 9mo ago
  Yes, secondary inspection has a lot more checks, this has been true a long time and is true for many countries. This is not what TFA is about though. TFA is about collecting this information through the ESTA for all visitors of countries part of the visa-waiver program, before the visitor even arrives at the border.
- kylehotchkiss 9mo ago
  You can decline to answer these questions if you're re-entering as a USC correct?
  - dghlsakjg 9mo ago
    Technically, yes. You have an absolute right - as a US citizen - to enter the country. You have a right to silence - beyond identity/citizenship and possibly travel history - and legal representation as well. They can ask you questions about politics, religion, social media, etc. but there is no legal precedent for them not allowing admittance based on refusal to engage on those topics. Of course this is all true to the extent that you don't mind spending hours or days in "secondary" since the government does have the right to submit you to inspection at the border. It is also limited by your willingness to pursue your rights, and the government's willingness to abide by court rulings.
    - xpe 9mo ago
      I would like to see an analysis of the following policy proposal. Explore various ways for tracking how much citizen time the US executive branch is using and wasting. Make this information available to all branches of government. I’m quite tired of the executive branch being able to trot out the “for national security” boilerplate argument with minimal data or record keeping to assess the efficacy of various systems and procedures. I’ve been kept in some random airport security room for something like 2 hours while government officials try to sort out some accidental name collision. I got no useful explanation during or after. I am lucky I didn’t miss my connecting flight. I bet there is currently minimal incentive (if any) to reduce this citizen hassling. Requiring metrics on how much time squandering happens seems like a small step in the right direction.
mghackerlady 9mo ago
I'd be even more worried about their reaction to me only using tumblr and mastodon, I'm sure I'd be placed on a list for being a "political extremist" solely because of the general vibes there Now that I think about it, not having mainstream social media or a smart phone would also put you on that list
belter 9mo ago
Easy. Create several accounts with the most unhinged, regular post of the most racist MAGA themes, praising of the great orange leader. Just follow Stephen Miller for inspiration... They will wave you trough the fast trail...
- zug_zug 9mo ago
  Honestly this actually seems like a pretty smart hedge

I would worry about them not liking the (true in my case at least) answer of "I don't have social media".

mywittyname 9mo ago

Same. Regular people give me weird looks when I claim not to use social media.

direwolf20 9mo ago

They wouldn't allow you in, then they'd deport you to Guantanamo Bay for being a terrorist. Probably. I assume.

RobT7k 9mo ago

Isn't your Hackernews account a "Social Media" account? Maybe it is, maybe it's not. We have no idea what the Governments definition of a Social Media Account is.

barbazoo 9mo ago
I would say this is a forum. Is a forum social media?
- iammjm 9mo ago
  It is just a matter of time before they will actually mean "anything you've posted on the internet, ever" when they'll say "social media"
Cornbilly 9mo ago
I always assumed "social media" is something tied to your real-life identity. For me, HN would not be social media. But there are people here that give their entire life story in their profile, I would say that, for those people, HN is social media. Though, the Trump regime may see things differently.
- arthurcolle 9mo ago
  :(
reorder9695 9mo ago
Interesting point, they'd have to either give a strict definition or a list otherwise I actually have no idea what to put. What about my ancient XDA Developers account that I don't even remember the username of? Would anyone with a Google account need to give that as YouTube exists?

aorth 9mo ago

American citizen living abroad for almost 20 years here. This happens to me ever so often when entering the US. Last under Biden, when I had been living in Jordan for a few years. I got pulled aside for a secondary inspection and the guy asked for all my phone numbers and social media accounts, and was surprised I didn't have Facebook—I just said I was a computer scientist and didn't like Zuckerberg. I gotta give him credit for being patient as he asked for all my addresses abroad etc. But this has been happening before Trump.

wasabi991011 9mo ago
Yes, secondary inspection has a lot more checks, this has been true a long time and is true for many countries. This is not what TFA is about though. TFA is about collecting this information through the ESTA for all visitors of countries part of the visa-waiver program, before the visitor even arrives at the border.
kylehotchkiss 9mo ago
You can decline to answer these questions if you're re-entering as a USC correct?
- dghlsakjg 9mo ago
  Technically, yes. You have an absolute right - as a US citizen - to enter the country. You have a right to silence - beyond identity/citizenship and possibly travel history - and legal representation as well. They can ask you questions about politics, religion, social media, etc. but there is no legal precedent for them not allowing admittance based on refusal to engage on those topics. Of course this is all true to the extent that you don't mind spending hours or days in "secondary" since the government does have the right to submit you to inspection at the border. It is also limited by your willingness to pursue your rights, and the government's willingness to abide by court rulings.
  - xpe 9mo ago
    I would like to see an analysis of the following policy proposal. Explore various ways for tracking how much citizen time the US executive branch is using and wasting. Make this information available to all branches of government. I’m quite tired of the executive branch being able to trot out the “for national security” boilerplate argument with minimal data or record keeping to assess the efficacy of various systems and procedures. I’ve been kept in some random airport security room for something like 2 hours while government officials try to sort out some accidental name collision. I got no useful explanation during or after. I am lucky I didn’t miss my connecting flight. I bet there is currently minimal incentive (if any) to reduce this citizen hassling. Requiring metrics on how much time squandering happens seems like a small step in the right direction.

mghackerlady 9mo ago

I'd be even more worried about their reaction to me only using tumblr and mastodon, I'm sure I'd be placed on a list for being a "political extremist" solely because of the general vibes there Now that I think about it, not having mainstream social media or a smart phone would also put you on that list

belter 9mo ago

Easy. Create several accounts with the most unhinged, regular post of the most racist MAGA themes, praising of the great orange leader. Just follow Stephen Miller for inspiration... They will wave you trough the fast trail...

zug_zug 9mo ago
Honestly this actually seems like a pretty smart hedge