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I would happily pay for Linux if it came pre-installed on a machine it's guaranteed to work with. I mean flawlessly - I really don't want to configure a driver

I would happily pay for Linux if it came pre-installed on a machine it's guaranteed to work with. I mean flawlessly - I really don't want to configure a driver ever again. Please someone create a linux laptop that: 1. Just works out of the box. 2. Has really good keychain management. 3. Comes with no bundled AI. 4. Good clipboard managment (like Handoff). 5. Excellent graphics APIs and an good UI framework. Apple and Microsoft have lost the plot and there's a gaping wide space to fill here.

adithyassekhar 9mo ago
Sadly people can't do much with an OS that doesn't run the applications they want. Until that becomes a reality no one is paying for Linux.
- willtemperley 9mo ago
  Gaming works well on Linux, probably because people pay for games. There's already tons of power software for Linux (e.g. Blender) but it's not always easy to use. I don't see why the App Store model wouldn't work on Linux too.
  - dm319 9mo ago
    Given how well windows games now run on linux through proton, it just made me think - surely, Outlook/Word etc should run easily? That would be strange firing up Word from Steam though. Companies seem completely dependent on the Word/Outlook ecosystem. I hope this will change in the future, and not just for some other US tech oligopoly.
    - Spivak 9mo ago
      Which is crazy because Outlook the actual application has got to be one of the worst email clients in existence. The only email client that I've dealt with that had more problems was the one guy who insisted on still using pine.
    - krater23 9mo ago
      M$ is doing all to press them into cloud services and browser based usage of this tools. So, just wait some years and this is not a issue anymore.
- SahAssar 9mo ago
  I think for most people the apps either have equivalent web versions (because they are already electron/similar on OSX/Win) or have linux native versions (basically all software engineering tools like IDE:s, compilers). Sure, there are professions where that is not true (adobe, xcode, etc.), but I think most people on this forum could switch to linux without problems.
rjh29 9mo ago
Great now multiply that bullet point list by 1000, because everyone wants different things and has different hardware, and you'll see that even the current state of Linux is a miracle. We're at the point where 90% of the time you can install a modern Gnome distro on a laptop and it'll work. Completely for free.
- willtemperley 9mo ago
  > everyone wants different things and has different hardware Did you read my post? > Please someone create a linux laptop That means the hardware is alreaty there. I'm talking about the macOS model for Linux. What would be top of your 5000 bullet point list?
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utopiah 9mo ago
SteamDeck, System76, Pine64, Slimbook, Tuxedo, etc there are PLENTY of Linux devices to buy in all form factors. Source : I'm using at least 2 of these and use Linux on my desktop daily, for years. Spent maximum 15min total caring about drivers and yes I do also game.
estimator7292 9mo ago
Lenovo will sell you a Thinkpad today bundled with Linux
- Spivak 9mo ago
  I can't speak to the default install but Thinkpads have what I would consider perfect hardware support. Absolutely everything works, fingerprint reader, tpm, nvidia card, and all.

adithyassekhar 9mo ago

Sadly people can't do much with an OS that doesn't run the applications they want. Until that becomes a reality no one is paying for Linux.

willtemperley 9mo ago
Gaming works well on Linux, probably because people pay for games. There's already tons of power software for Linux (e.g. Blender) but it's not always easy to use. I don't see why the App Store model wouldn't work on Linux too.
- dm319 9mo ago
  Given how well windows games now run on linux through proton, it just made me think - surely, Outlook/Word etc should run easily? That would be strange firing up Word from Steam though. Companies seem completely dependent on the Word/Outlook ecosystem. I hope this will change in the future, and not just for some other US tech oligopoly.
  - Spivak 9mo ago
    Which is crazy because Outlook the actual application has got to be one of the worst email clients in existence. The only email client that I've dealt with that had more problems was the one guy who insisted on still using pine.
  - krater23 9mo ago
    M$ is doing all to press them into cloud services and browser based usage of this tools. So, just wait some years and this is not a issue anymore.
SahAssar 9mo ago
I think for most people the apps either have equivalent web versions (because they are already electron/similar on OSX/Win) or have linux native versions (basically all software engineering tools like IDE:s, compilers). Sure, there are professions where that is not true (adobe, xcode, etc.), but I think most people on this forum could switch to linux without problems.

rjh29 9mo ago

Great now multiply that bullet point list by 1000, because everyone wants different things and has different hardware, and you'll see that even the current state of Linux is a miracle. We're at the point where 90% of the time you can install a modern Gnome distro on a laptop and it'll work. Completely for free.

willtemperley 9mo ago
> everyone wants different things and has different hardware Did you read my post? > Please someone create a linux laptop That means the hardware is alreaty there. I'm talking about the macOS model for Linux. What would be top of your 5000 bullet point list?
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utopiah 9mo ago

SteamDeck, System76, Pine64, Slimbook, Tuxedo, etc there are PLENTY of Linux devices to buy in all form factors. Source : I'm using at least 2 of these and use Linux on my desktop daily, for years. Spent maximum 15min total caring about drivers and yes I do also game.

estimator7292 9mo ago

Lenovo will sell you a Thinkpad today bundled with Linux

Spivak 9mo ago
I can't speak to the default install but Thinkpads have what I would consider perfect hardware support. Absolutely everything works, fingerprint reader, tpm, nvidia card, and all.